signoftheserpent said:

If he could have done so profitably, he would have.  There are many reasons why such a product would not be (a) profitable or (b) a good idea.  Lots of people have spelled out these reasons on BGG (and I think on this forum, too, if you care to search).

radiskull said:

We will never know how profitable it is or isn't since it's not going to happen, unfortunately. That only leaves players with one choice and it's a very clumsy choice. For £30 I could buy another core set or I could give the SW lcg a go, which I would like to do. But in order to play ANR fully, the missing cards are important.

Not cool.

Strawman? You realize your entire argument is based on a set of logical fallacies don't you? Wait, no, of course you don't…

The point being if the decks are playable at a level for easy enjoyment, and that the core set by itself allows for the building of competitive decks that can beat decks made with multiple core sets you have absolutely no leg to stand on from a logical POV. What you are left with is an emotional plea which frankly rings false for so many reasons.

The arguments about why no completion set have been made a dozen times. I'm not going to go into them because they wouldn't convince you because in the end you don't care. You care about you. That is it. You want the entire company to bend to your will regardless of whether or not that means more or less profits (it means less) even if that dampens their enthusiasm and that of casual players for the game (it does).

But in case any was wondering I was not addressing your points or pointing out the flaws in your "reasoning" to persuade you. I recognize someone who is emotionally invested in "being right." I addressed the topic solely for anyone else coming across this thread.

Penfold said:

Penfold said:

I haven't presented any logical fallacies. If you think I have then tell me what they are, because all you are doing, like your friends, is trolling.

You are free to post on this thread and this forum, or not to. I am not forcing you to respond. If you don't like this discussion, which is entirely clearly labelled, then choose one of the other 20+ threads on this page alone to contribute to, or start one of your own. Constantly spewing your high minded insults is not going to imbue your arguments with win, anymore than just throwing around labels such as 'logical fallacies', where none have been preented.

I have not been rude to  you so knock it off.

I have made several suggestions as to how FFG could have proceeded and I don't really care to have those views rubbished by people who are doing nothing more than trolling. You are not magically validated in your bejhaviour just because this subject has been raised before; in fact that it has been raised before should alert you to the fact it's a problem.

If it wasn't, no one would have responded.

Again, as I have already explained: no one has said you can't play games with the core set.

Noone has said that you can't bu8ild decks with the core set either.

That is not the point.

The point is that if you want the most out of the game, which presumably is what FFG want (otherwise why bother?), you have to invest in multiple core sets, which is a wholly wasteful inefficient process. If I buy a second core set that at the very least is one set denied to a potential newcomer (and the print run sold out, remember). If you think that approach is the best way to do things then you are entirely and wholly wrong, and resorting to hyperbole ('you want the whole company to bend to your will') is immature and provocative.

signoftheserpent said:

I only bought one Core Set.

Does that mean I'm not getting the most out of this game?

Messenger said:

I'm not asking whether you want to. That's entirely your choice. I'm not telling you what decks to build or what cards to use. Nor am I -again - saying that you can't play with one core set, nor even play well.

But you cannot deckbuild without limit. So no you can't get the most out of the game. Whether you want to is a matter for the individual player to decide. I personally would like to have the freedom to build any deck, in fact i'd be willing to compromise to only having 2x the cards that appear 1x in the core set (ie two coresets at most).

But to do that, I must buy a second set and then toss out half the cards that I cannot use.

@signoftheserpent

I'll try asking it again: what existing game are you basing your expectations on? What collectible/customizable game offers you a complete playset in a single box?

You've repeatedly said that FFG distribution choice is "bizarre and ill informed" and "a very flawed decision." But the game seems to be a commercial and critical success; it's repeatedly sold out and is the #1 ranked customizable game on BGG.

You're saying it could have been even better, but I think if you're going to argue with the level of success they've had, you should be able to point to some examples of games that did exactly what you're claiming is the right decision. What game gives you a complete playset in a box?

Eldil said:

Sorry for the divergence but what is BGG?

papy72 said:

My bad; "Board Game Geek." It's a board-gaming website, but the Netrunner forums there are pretty active.

Eldil said:

signoftheserpent said:

Good dialogue.

Well, I think I'll be hitting that old dusty road.

Cheers, everybody.

signoftheserpent said:

You cannot divorce what's provided in the Core Set from what a player will actually make with it, signoftheserpent. At the end of the day, what matters is not what's provided but what's needed and used by the player. The cards FFG provides in the Core Set only matter inasfar as they allow a customer to build playable decks.

What you don't get with your line of argument is this:
As they are, whether coming in the 3's that you want or the 1's, 2's and 3's that they actually do, they're just cards in a box.

Now, your argument is based on the idea that each player needs 3 copies of every cards in the Core Set in order to "get the most out of the game". I can only speak for myself, but I do say:

I don't need 3 copies of Desperado. It's Unique and not even game-breaking.

I don't need 3 copies of Ice Carver. It's Unique and not even game-breaking.

More powerful and useful than either of those, I don't even need 3 copies of Account Siphon. It's almost game-breaking were it not for its heavy penalty and the fact that once you use it, you won't need another one for awhile. The 2 provided is just right.

Here you are, complaining about incomplete card sets that force you to buy a second set wherein you will "toss out half the cards I cannot use"- despite the fact that the change you're arguing for will produce the same results.

That's the problem with arguing generalizations: they don't reflect the honest and specific reality of the situation.

Thus, you don't get to say "I'm not asking whether you want to… I'm not telling you what decks to build or what cards to use. Nor am I… saying that you can't play with one core set, nor even play well."

Because that's exactly what matters! That's the bottom line! That's the "in the end" and "at the end of the day! Not having 3 copies of a cards to deckbuild with to begin with!

You keep overlooking this in this discussion. The question that now occurs to me is whether it's intentional or not.

From experience, wanting 3 copies of a card is more often than not a rookie mistake. It's to overvalue a card, to go for sheer quantity in fear that having less is more disadvantageous than having too much.

However, given your recognition of the difference between what a player puts in his deck and what's provided by the Core Set, I'm inclined to think it's the former.

For that matter, your immediate attempt to exclude the very real and true reason why your reasoning is faulty in your reply lends credence to this conclusion. As far as Android: Netrunner is a game, it's the playing that counts.

Thus, penfold- and practically everyone else here- is right. You're not arguing for something better for the game; you're just arguing because you can't stand to be wrong. You just can't stand the idea to the point that you can't even consider the possibility and have to believe so, so much in your position.

By the way- and this is important- I am trolling you.

As someone who has done his fair share of arguing on the internet, I tell you that the utter best way to troll someone is to speak the truth. Nothing else hurts or gets up a person's nose more than forcing him to deal with a fact he doesn't like.

Given what you've shown and what you've said, I don't care what you have else to say. I'm now going to start watching this thread with glee rather than annoyance to see if either:

a) You don't buy the game, at which point we'll be rid of you- or you render yourself irrelevant because you're not even a real member of the Android: Netrunner community because you're not even playing no matter what else you post here; or

b) You actually buy the game despite all the arguments you've made, all the people you've pissed off and ultimately make all of it meaningless and yourself a hypocrite.

Lastly, you calling everyone else a troll while completely ignoring what they have to say regardless of their actual merit: that's called psychological projection- placing your own faults on other people so you don't have to deal with them. It's a very common defense mechanism.

I actually thought Sign said he bought or was buying the game…

You mentioned earlier that you can't 'fully' play the game. And that depends on your definition of fully. Shoot: Can it be 'fully' w/o every card in the first cycle? Or can inividuals define fullness as they see fit? In YOUR opinion, the core set is not 'full'. Your problem. We thank you for voicing it.

You have suggested alternatives. I do like the idea of being able to buy an extra pack to flesh out the extra 2x and 1x of cards that weren't 3x in the core set, however, I'm not sure of the cost, profit, sellability aspect of it. 1.) you'd have to already own the core set 2.) you'd have to be interested in purchasing the 'extra' cards 3.) you'd have to care about the 'fullness' of the game enough to spend the extra money on it. 4.) There'd have to be enough of those people to make it worthwhile for FFG to print it. 5.) Those that are willing to do so are not also willing to just buy an extra core set 6.) people that buy extra core sets use the extra cards (that you want to throw away) to make demo decks / give away decks (like that I like doing).

Chances are some of those aspects in the previous paragraph are the condition why the core set has not been supplemented in the way you've suggested (releasing a pack that has the extra 2x and 1x of the cards).

Until we ask a marketting officer (?…. perhaps Horvath?), which I'm not entirely in the mood to do because I suspect the reasons for this decision (see above), we'll never 'know' for sure. And yes, some of those reasons include FFG making money. Less QQ, more pew pew. It is a company with worker's wages and insurance to pay. Or should everyone also be provided a table and chair and snacks and an apartment and a car and pens and paper and a lighting source and a voucher for future expansions free of charge and… for the game ot be more full? (ok yes this last bit was trolling. Sorry. Can't help myself!).

YOu can't play the game completely out of the core box because you cannot build decks with 3x all cards.

So your game experience is limited.

This is surely obvious; you don't get 3x every card so you do not have all the options you might want to build a deck you want.