add-on. Venkelos has a good point...I'd like to see some pychic powers beyond the Telepathy, Telekinesis and Divination disciplines that all the books have in varying degress. I never had much luck re-figuring the DH pyschic powers, but I don't own the DH book so...grain of salt.

Another percentage system, I've already seen this, I'm tired.
No more percentage games for me, I've already abandoned the others.

What an odd criticism.

BYE

signoftheserpent said:

Please, continue. I do so enjoy being insulted by people who have never met me.

I respect your right to voice an opinion and provide criticism. I don't have to respect, or even tolerate, verbal attacks of this nature. If you can't find a polite way of expressing your opinion, you're not trying hard enough.

N0-1_H3r3 said:

If you feel inclined to jump in front of the bullet, then that's entirely your choice. Don't criticse me for making it.

I don't need to find a better way to make my point: the 17 books and 2 GM Kits i've spent money on gives me that right. All of which were brought new supporting not only my local gaming store but FFG.

I don't have a problem with FFG releasing 5 games. I have a problem with FFG continually failing to address not just legitimate criticism of their continued and inexcusable failings, but those failings themselves.

I like the 40k rpgs, but that is in spite of FFG's abysmal handling of these products. Even then there are plenty of problems and they, time and again, fail to deal with them. If you take that personally then I have a solution: fix the damn problems!

signoftheserpent said:

close the boards would work wonders

Braddoc said:

So ignore the problems and they go away, yes?

The ridiculous apologists for FFG on this board do everyone a disservice.

signoftheserpent said:

No, but the rest of us will have some peace and quiet and talks; makes me think of socialists: all about freedom of speech and liberty, up until you disagree with them, then you're part of the problem.

so let's stop saying how FFG does a' bad job' and let's talk about how this may be as good as sliced bread.

Braddoc said:

try reposting your first paragraph so that it has a genuine point and isn't just trolling. I barely post on this board compared to almost everyone else, so wind your neck in.

Let's not stop saying how FFG does a bad job. Let's keep saying it until they decide to starting doing a proper job with their work. Let's keep putting the pressure on so that they are able to put out quality product and not flooding the market with more and more lines they clearly cannot manage.

I simply cannot understand your attitude at all, so I must conclude you are either a shill or a troll. It's demonstrably obvious to anyone that's bothered to read these books they are filled with mistakes. The game lines are not anywhere near as compatible as they should be, even accounting for inheriting the game line from Black INdustries. The books aren't cheap and we deserve better. That it's taken 6 months to release an errata for the last game which even then is STILL incomplete and STILL leaves people asking for further clarification is indicative of either grotesque stupidity, a practical joke or complete incompetence. Since you seem to know, why don' you explain to me which of those three it is.

I have learned to improvise and think on my feet, rather than utilise what's between both cover of a book and nothing behond those limits.  Of course the books are flawed, they were made by humans, not nigh-perfect Gods. 

The pages are staying still, the covers are stong, the printing quality is good and everything works well.  I run and play games, we house rule as we go if we judged it to be nesessary, and we have fun.  I have nothing to gain doing complaints that are founded in my own personnal view of how FFG should do their own products and run their own company.  You can always make your own RPG and release it; who knows you may amke a fortune, or get a forum full of people complaining months before your product is even out in stores for people to see.

Also, I find your deductions about me to be flawed.

 While I definitely disagree with how he's saying it, Sign makes a decent point. The editorial work on FFG's 40K products leaves something to be desired. I'll admit, I'm a bit anal about it, and being in the process of getting my Master's in English isn't helping the case, but some of the spelling and grammatical mistakes made in these books are just painful.

You must admit that Signoftheserpent brings up some interesting points, even if they seem to be overly harsh towards the wrong people.

The books are flawed in most cases, either with missing rules or spelling mistakes. And the Errata took a long time to come out (and isn't updated for DH atleast). Afterall we are paying for a complete product and we are getting something that is working and playable, but not complete without house ruling. Now if you house rule because you disagree with the established rules thats different.

Personally i dont think FFG have crossed the line yet, i can easily work around the problems i run into and even if there are spelling mistakes here and there, i still understand the context. To me the worst mistake i have seen was made by Black Industries (i think) in my copy of The Tome of Corruption where an entire reward was copy pasted from a different god, but i could work with it and it turned out to be more funny than a problem.

To end this i think someone should open a new thread about this subject, so this one can continue to focus on Our wishes for OW.

My only wish for Only War is for the party to treat the campaign as if they were Colonial Marines. I'm just hoping that somebody runs a session or two so I can play Hudson...

"I'm ready, man, check it out. I am the ultimate badass! State of the badass art! You do NOT wanna f**k with me. Check it out! Hey Commissar, don't worry. Me and my squad of ultimate badasses will protect you! Check it out! Independently targeting plasma cannon array. Vwap! Fry half a city with this puppy. We got Lazcannon, plasma guns, missile launchers, we got frag grenades! We got Deathstrike missiles, we got knives, sharp sticks..."

It will be a thing of beauty. Especialy when things go south and I can start freaking out.

Time for a bit of a role reversal...

N0-1_H3r3 said:

Braddoc said:

What does improvisation have to do with it? Mistakes should be rectified immediately and the proudcuers should learn from the mistakes not to repeat them. FFG seems incapable of either: the reason being they don't bother to proofread. Your comment is just assinine trolling, if they are incapable ot correct playtesting editing and proofreading which are the most BASIC functions of a print publisher then they are in the wrong business. The solutions do not require omnipotency nor and they are obvious: playtest and edit your work correctly. What good will Only War be when it comes out with the same mistakes, cut and pasted (which is part of the problem) from previous books? What use will the errata be when it comes out 6 months later because the lazy writers couldn't bt bothered to respect their fans - the people paying their wages - and get the job done in time. A basic errata file is the work, at best, of a week if not a couple of days. This isn't debugging computer code or remoulding hardware. Until FFG wakes up and realises it puts out too much product than it can handle these peoblems will persist, and their ignorance toward their fans is disgraceful. This is a niche hobby with expensive books and these people need to learn some humility and respect for those of us paying their wages.