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Fortress America
One nation...under siege
Moderator: FFGAnton Topics: 30 | Posts: 203
At first excited, then I read
Published on 16 December 2011 - 12:43:30
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Reply #31 | Published on 18 December 2011 - 11:47:26

Well put LynchMob. If F.A. receives good reviews I'll pick it up regardless of the fluff. My one real worry is replay value. My gaming group got bored with Axis & Allies pretty quick. This seems very A&A like but then I never got a chance to play the original.

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Reply #32 | Published on 18 December 2011 - 16:19:22

Well, I can only say this; in my gamer groups, it is a well loved game by all. If we haven’t played it in a long time, someone will always say; “Hey, let’s do Fortress America again!” I think it does have replayability, and a small learning curve- we made some small mistakes that made for replay get better and better. We don’t play it a lot because (and I suspect it’s the same with almost everyone here) between the lot of us we have a massive library of games that we want to do, and may not even ever get to. But, just recently (before I even found out about the re-make), it came up again… “Let’s do Fortress America!” Plus, if you look around the internet there’s some interesting variants that will co$t you nothing to print off.

Scott Lynch

Reply #33 | Published on 19 December 2011 - 12:52:58

People need to re-read Mr. Petersen's post. FFG did not "cave-in" to the minority or chage the backstory due to "pressure". He said that the marketing department misunderstood the notes/plan for the backstory when they created the original copy that was released.  The initial released copy, although interesting and different, was an incorrect interpretation.  If you look at the two backstories and their commonalities, you can see how they might have gotten confused.

I expect that the notes for the backstory were somewhat brief. Something like:

"The US gains superior weapon technology which threatens other nations. The other nations band together and invade the US."

The marketing department reads #1 and thinks "US attacks and beats up other nations, which causes them to ban together and invade the US". They run with that idea and create copy #1.  However, the intent of the designers is a much more politically moderate backstory. The US isn't "bad" but it isn't "good" either. The US technology threatens the other nations, and when all negotiation has failed, military force is all that is left. 

Hence, once incorrect copy #1 was released, FFG heads (and game designers) notice the discrepancy and re-release a backstory that fits with the actual design intent.

Honestly, the second copy makes much more realistic sense to me, and is a much more plausible backstory. 

As an example, consider, if the UN decided that the US should dismantle all of their nukes (for whatever reason).  Would the US do so? Possibly not, depending on who was in the government and the threat the government felt. If neither the UN nor the US would budge, negotiations would fail.  Trade and political sanctions are enacted, but fail to force capitulation by the US. At some point, use of military force would become inevitable to forcibly destroy the nuclear weapons.

Still a series of unlikely events and decisions, but more likely than the initial copy.

Reply #34 | Published on 19 December 2011 - 14:30:59

So I'm pretty stoke to hear about this game as well.  I played it before - back in the late 80s and had a blast, but never managed to get a copy.   I was hoping Eagle Games was going to get the liscense as I like what they did with Conquest of the Empire, but FFG is great too.  And you know the quality is going to be awesome! 

Anyway, my 2 cents on the ad campaign thing.  The big thing in the FFG apology is this: 

" Our marketing department misread certain key thematic elements of the game, and took unauthorized dramatic liberties with the text."

Hence the revised ad.  I just don't get why there is such a need to "update" a background.  The original game was set in the near future, so much like a lot of FFG games, why not just make it a retro future.  Have it set in an alternate future of 2003 where, as in the original setting, the US becasuse of SDI has reduced it's armed forces, gone isolationist, eliminated it's navy and the Soviet Union has upset the balance of the world and created 3 regional coalitions all who attack the US. 

The thing that was annoying for me wasn't that the ad made the US look like the bad guys and world was trying to stop them  - be all you can be with grey area, alternate future, etc. in a game or story etc.  But rather they changed the original premise of the game - especially when there was no need to, because when you do that, you not producing Fotress America, instead you're just using a brand name. 

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Reply #35 | Published on 19 December 2011 - 19:41:06

LynchMob said:

You know, when it’s all said and done, I’m glad we can have a discussion like this.

Seconded. God bless America for freedom of speech and the dignity that can come with it.

"Some said the thunder called the lurking fear out of its habitation, while others said the thunder was its voice."

H.P. Lovecraft, The Lurking Fear

Reply #36 | Published on 20 December 2011 - 04:11:21

I loved this:

It is the early 21st century. Having suffered a series of devastating terrorist attacks, the U.S. wields a newly developed and horrifyingly destructive weapon technology with desperate fury, lashing out mercilessly at any government suspected of harboring its hidden enemies. Entire nations are erased from the map. The world is stunned by the brutal display. Facing few options, an unlikely coalition of nations joins forces to attempt one final plan: the invasion of America.

Then they changed it to this:    

In the 21st century, the United States unveiled a military defense system that completely changed global politics. Through a series of satellites and powerful lasers, the U.S. gained a flawless defense against intercontinental missile attacks. The rest of the world feared that this defensive network might be used to launch an attack, and they united to demand that the U.S. dismantle it. A lengthy diplomatic stalemate gripped the globe. With the world at a crossroads, coalitions of nations were formed unlike any that had ever existed before. A plan was devised to destroy this perceived technological threat through military action. It involved attacking from three directions at once, for the nations of the world knew that every army dreads fighting a war on two fronts... and America was about to face three.

 

Why FFG? Why? The first scenario was better? I've always liked dystopian futures, like Dust, Android and Pandemic. Why did you have to say that people in FFG took the wrong liberties and altered the game in the wrong way? I liked the first one, but not the second.  PS. I'm an American and I have no objections to the first scenario, but greatly object to the second "santized" one.

 

 

People with destinies, things never go well for them. They die old and unfulfilled or young and unfinished.

Jessie Shepherd

Reply #37 | Published on 20 December 2011 - 09:19:48
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Just so my opinion is seen as an opinion and not pontificating to anyone why it is 'right":

I like the original backstory. Shame they dropped it.

 

Though in an era where people genuinely beleive that  "Fox News" is an actual news channel, it is hardly surprising.

Reply #38 | Published on 20 December 2011 - 13:14:30

I'm with Hellfury. See my post.

Sorry btw. I misspelled sanitized early. LOL

And btw, Hellfury is right. Fox News is not news. They don't even have a fox. They should at least have that.

People with destinies, things never go well for them. They die old and unfulfilled or young and unfinished.

Jessie Shepherd

Reply #39 | Published on 20 December 2011 - 13:54:21

"Though in an era where people genuinely beleive that "Fox News" is an actual news channel, it is hardly surprising."

So...what exactly do mean by this comment and how does this relate to Fortress America?

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Reply #40 | Published on 20 December 2011 - 19:06:31

TheMetal1 said:

"Though in an era where people genuinely beleive that "Fox News" is an actual news channel, it is hardly surprising."

So...what exactly do mean by this comment and how does this relate to Fortress America?

 

He means that FOX is widely regarded as a thinly veiled engine of right-wing propaganda. He's correct, but off topic.

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Reply #41 | Published on 20 December 2011 - 19:13:28

Yanma said:

TheMetal1 said:

 

"Though in an era where people genuinely beleive that "Fox News" is an actual news channel, it is hardly surprising."

So...what exactly do mean by this comment and how does this relate to Fortress America?

 

 

 

He means that FOX is widely regarded as a thinly veiled engine of right-wing propaganda. He's correct, but off topic.

Which is similar to saying that MSNBC, CNN, CBS, NBC, and ABC are all widely regarded as thinly veiled engines of left-wing propaganda. Which is correct, but off topic.

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Reply #42 | Published on 20 December 2011 - 20:51:49

sepayne7l said:

Which is similar to saying that MSNBC, CNN, CBS, NBC, and ABC are all widely regarded as thinly veiled engines of left-wing propaganda. Which is correct, but off topic.

That's a stretch. Off topic, of course, but still a stretch.

People with destinies, things never go well for them. They die old and unfulfilled or young and unfinished.

Jessie Shepherd

Reply #43 | Published on 21 December 2011 - 09:53:37

Hi:

 

...Gotta love the original Saddam Hussein cover... Redo it!

 

Go FFG go & be controversial - it rocks!

 

 

...I'd still like to know what Fortress Québec is all aboot.

 

L

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Reply #44 | Published on 21 December 2011 - 21:07:22

I never did get the Saddam Hussein reference. Yes, I have the original box and lid. But, again, this game was put out during the Regan era when Iraq were “Our Good/Bad Gus”. So I don’t think it was really supposed to be Saddam, just something someone thought it looked like after the Gulf war I.
As for Fortress Quebec. Someone mentioned it here as a passing comment, and I as a Nova Scotia -Canadian said that “you don’t eve want to think of opening htat can of worms in English or French CanaDUH. But, then I went on to say, that I’d llike to make one of those many, many A&A rip-off’s using FA rules + pieces to do a Fortress Quebec game. I looked into dividing the Province (or nation at this point) into areas based on their counties. Bad idea, there are just too many of them. Some are tiny, and others are Hugigantic. Also, with my limited knowledge of Quebec soverenty /Separatists, I was trying to think of amusing cards the Quebecois player could use.
 

Scott Lynch

Reply #45 | Published on 27 December 2011 - 23:34:28

sepayne7l said:

The story fluff for the game:

It is the early 21st century. Having suffered a series of devastating terrorist attacks, the U.S. wields a newly developed and horrifyingly destructive weapon technology with desperate fury, lashing out mercilessly at any government suspected of harboring its hidden enemies. Entire nations are erased from the map. The world is stunned by the brutal display. Facing few options, an unlikely coalition of nations joins forces to attempt one final plan: the invasion of America.

Honestly, I think making America the bad guy in this as opposed to generic  bad guys from the original is just stupid. I'm seriously considering on passing on this out of principal. Maybe China will buy them.

What an absurd backstory. I mean, how completely unbelievable that the good ol' U.S of A could develop a "horrifyingly destructive weapon technology" and "lash out mercilessly"... I mean, except for using the A-bomb in WWII...completely unbelievable. 

 

 

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