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Battlecannon clip sizes?
by RobOut
Published on 08 January 2013 - 08:25:41
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Reply #16 | Published on 10 January 2013 - 12:18:15

Okay, so by having a look at the book, it looks like the clip size may actually be right.

I checked the crew positions, and the Hull Lascannon Gunner is also listed as the Loader for the turret/Battlecannon. It would seem logical that the gun itself is fed from some sort of magazine that comes up from inside the hull? That way the loader in the hull would be able to reload.

It would also mean the loader has something to do in between reloading - fire the lascannon!

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Reply #17 | Published on 10 January 2013 - 12:41:18

Nah, the Leman Russ has hand-loaded cannon. From Imperial Armour 1:

"The loader must manually load the main weapon with the ammunition type dictated by the tank commander." 

Also there is no auto-loader present on the internail-detail pic:

[IMG]http://i1105.photobucket.com/albums/h346/woody_sheriff/LemanRussInternal_zpsae835582.jpg[/IMG]

 

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Reply #18 | Published on 10 January 2013 - 12:55:19

AtoMaki said:

Nah, the Leman Russ has hand-loaded cannon. From Imperial Armour 1:

"The loader must manually load the main weapon with the ammunition type dictated by the tank commander." 

Also there is no auto-loader present on the internail-detail pic:

[IMG]http://i1105.photobucket.com/albums/h346/woody_sheriff/LemanRussInternal_zpsae835582.jpg[/IMG]

 

 

While you've got IA1 to hand, does it mention the number of crew? Because I'm sure Lexicanium is wrong. I count 5 - 7, Commander, Gunner, Loader, Driver,  Hull weapon gunner (and pressumably Radio operator if most WW2's are anything to go by) + 2 optional sponson gunners.

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Reply #19 | Published on 10 January 2013 - 13:22:07

AtoMaki said:

Nah, the Leman Russ has hand-loaded cannon. From Imperial Armour 1:

"The loader must manually load the main weapon with the ammunition type dictated by the tank commander." 

Also there is no auto-loader present on the internail-detail pic:

[IMG]http://i1105.photobucket.com/albums/h346/woody_sheriff/LemanRussInternal_zpsae835582.jpg[/IMG]

 

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Reply #20 | Published on 10 January 2013 - 13:27:39

I'm just trying to figure out how you get tank rounds on a clip?  For real FFG their called magazines not clips.

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Reply #21 | Published on 10 January 2013 - 14:55:05

Face Eater said:

While you've got IA1 to hand, does it mention the number of crew? Because I'm sure Lexicanium is wrong. I count 5 - 7, Commander, Gunner, Loader, Driver,  Hull weapon gunner (and pressumably Radio operator if most WW2's are anything to go by) + 2 optional sponson gunners.

 

It does: driver, gunner, commander and loader (who is also the hull gunner, but don't ask how, I don't know :P) + optional sponson gunners. And WW1/2 is just the theme and not the tech level (you can't see much WW2 photos with plasma guns on them ;)).

 

MILLANDSON:

True, but no official source says that the Leman Russ has an autoloader. Actually, the only official material that goes into details about the Russ is the Imperial Armour. 

 

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Reply #22 | Published on 10 January 2013 - 17:15:54

AtoMaki said:

MILLANDSON:

True, but no official source says that the Leman Russ has an autoloader. Actually, the only official material that goes into details about the Russ is the Imperial Armour. 

 

Except that all licensed sources are official, so now you do have an official source - the Only War core book.

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Reply #23 | Published on 10 January 2013 - 17:57:50

DrNo172000 said:

I'm just trying to figure out how you get tank rounds on a clip?  For real FFG their called magazines not clips.

And while we are being pedantic it's "they're" or "they are" ;)

Reply #24 | Published on 10 January 2013 - 19:36:42

Musclewizard said:

 

DrNo172000 said:

 

I'm just trying to figure out how you get tank rounds on a clip?  For real FFG their called magazines not clips.

 

 

And while we are being pedantic it's "they're" or "they are" ;)

 

 

 

Hehe well i dont care bout spellings just magz and clipz. reir

 

Besides I'm not a professional writer, I'm a infantrymen.  I'm also constantly mixing those two up for some reason, probably because I'm a idiot. atontado

 

 

 

 

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Reply #25 | Published on 11 January 2013 - 01:55:38
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FWIW, the Vanquisher has Clip 6 and the Demolisher has Clip 2. Only the Earthshaker has Clip 1.

Reply #26 | Published on 11 January 2013 - 04:24:58
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HappyDaze said:

FWIW, the Vanquisher has Clip 6 and the Demolisher has Clip 2. Only the Earthshaker has Clip 1.

 

I think that it's a way to show how fast the loader can reload the cannon and how long does it take the barrel to recover an optimal temperature and avoid overheating.

 

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Reply #27 | Published on 11 January 2013 - 04:51:24

MILLANDSON said:

Except that all licensed sources are official, so now you do have an official source - the Only War core book.

Well, but the OW rulebook says nothing about LR autoloaders… The only thing we have is a Clip 12, what could mean a wide variety of things (otherwise, we wouldn't have this discussion, wouldn't we?). 

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Reply #28 | Published on 11 January 2013 - 09:26:42

AtoMaki said:

MILLANDSON said:

 

Except that all licensed sources are official, so now you do have an official source - the Only War core book.

 

 

Well, but the OW rulebook says nothing about LR autoloaders… The only thing we have is a Clip 12, what could mean a wide variety of things (otherwise, we wouldn't have this discussion, wouldn't we?). 

Has anyone thought to send an e-mail to FFG via the "Rules Questions" link at the bottom of the page, then? If you want to know what it means "officially", rather than just interpretting it your own way and running with it (what I'm doing), asking them would be the best option.

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Reply #29 | Published on 11 January 2013 - 11:50:57
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Unknown said:

HappyDaze said:

 

FWIW, the Vanquisher has Clip 6 and the Demolisher has Clip 2. Only the Earthshaker has Clip 1.

 

 

 

I think that it's a way to show how fast the loader can reload the cannon and how long does it take the barrel to recover an optimal temperature and avoid overheating.

 

That's not how the Clip entry on weapons works.

I do find it humourous that if a Battle Cannon jams, it might be discarding up to 11 more unfired rounds! How damn wasteful!

WEAPON JAMS
Weapons may jam either through extreme age, maltreatment
of their machine spirit, or just plain poor design. An
unmodi?ed result of 96 to 00 on a Ranged attack, in addition
to being an automatic miss, also indicates the weapon has
jammed. A jammed weapon cannot be ?red until it is cleared.
Clearing a jam is a Full Action that requires a Ballistic Skill
Test. If the Test is successful then the jam has been cleared,
though the weapon needs to be reloaded and any ammo in it
is lost.
If the Test is failed, the weapon is still jammed, though
the character can attempt to clear it again next Round.

Is the there anything in the vehicle rules that changes this?

Reply #30 | Published on 11 January 2013 - 18:40:50

Face Eater said:

While you've got IA1 to hand, does it mention the number of crew? Because I'm sure Lexicanium is wrong. I count 5 - 7, Commander, Gunner, Loader, Driver,  Hull weapon gunner (and pressumably Radio operator if most WW2's are anything to go by) + 2 optional sponson gunners.


IA1 does mention crew, and it's actually what the crew compliments in Only War were based on. The turret's loader fires the Hull Mount, or the driver does when the vehicle is stationary and the loader isn't, y'know, loading the gun.

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