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I can say that the X wing pandoras box has opened and we have just seen a taste of what is yet to come…I did see on on another site that someone has already done a hoth battle in 10mm..Never give up,Never surrender

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IG-58 said:

Well, actually, if I could snap my fingers and have my druthers, I'd go for 1/144. It'd be perfectly manageable; if you want an idea, look no further than F-Toys. The ground vehicles in that line consist of the AT-AT, AT-ST, AT-TE, TIE Crawler, AAT, snowspeeder and even a trooper on speeder bike. Oh, and Lord Vader. The scale works real nice for a table.

I bought some of those and wasn't really impressed with the quality. Most of mine constantly had parts falling off.

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That's why I routinely use a bit of superglue gel on 'em. The models are quite lovely - and in scale. But regardless, we're talking about an imaginary/desired Fantasy Flight product line; bringing up F-Toys was just to show what one could expect with a gaming line in that scale.

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I think a ground war version of the game would work better with the Clone wars setting since a majority of those films and animated series focus on the ground battles. The galactic civil war would be hard to balance when you have one side bringing massive assault walkers and the other fields volunteer soldiers and the odd fixed gun emplacement. At least in the space combat area both sides have advantages over the other but neither are the outright winners in any regard. Ground combat would be a slaughter for the imperials everytime, unless the fighting was on Endor of course.

I agree with others that if FFG did decide on a ground version then DUST style models and expansions would suit even if the scale wasn't accurate. But let's get all of FFG's attention on adding as many starfighters as possible before we head down to the planet's surface yeah :)

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hmmm focus the Ion cannon at an At- At …instead of a starcruiser lol….Never give up ,Never surrender

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My idea would not be to have figures for soldiers. Just tokens, lovely stackable tokens.

Keep it vehicle based like X-Wing is.

Use Squad tokens for characters and soldiers, which would be made in the same manner as pilot cards, matched to squad tokens on the map.

I would assume it would be a stand alone game, but just allow certain cross overs. Some ships may be able to land, but have no ariel maneuverability, others could fly but not land, such as TIE Bombers, while others like Z-95 Headhunters could be completely compatible. Meanwhile, some ariel vehicles like cloud cars, couldn't cross over into space any more than a droid tank could.

There are a lot of Ground units like tanks and speeders and cannons and troop transports and giant robots and gunships that a game like this could capitalize on.

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IG-58 said:

Well, actually, if I could snap my fingers and have my druthers, I'd go for 1/144. It'd be perfectly manageable; if you want an idea, look no further than F-Toys. The ground vehicles in that line consist of the AT-AT, AT-ST, AT-TE, TIE Crawler, AAT, snowspeeder and even a trooper on speeder bike. Oh, and Lord Vader. The scale works real nice for a table.

1/270 would allow for bigger, cheaper combats and a smaller required play area; but yeah, infantry pretty much disappears at that size. 1/144 is really the smallest size where foot units are recognizable, and viable as miniatures.

At those scales how would you handle infantry?

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ThadiusCole said:

I think a ground war version of the game would work better with the Clone wars setting since a majority of those films and animated series focus on the ground battles. The galactic civil war would be hard to balance when you have one side bringing massive assault walkers and the other fields volunteer soldiers and the odd fixed gun emplacement. At least in the space combat area both sides have advantages over the other but neither are the outright winners in any regard. Ground combat would be a slaughter for the imperials everytime, unless the fighting was on Endor of course.

I agree with others that if FFG did decide on a ground version then DUST style models and expansions would suit even if the scale wasn't accurate. But let's get all of FFG's attention on adding as many starfighters as possible before we head down to the planet's surface yeah :)

I have to agree. When you think about it, the battle of Hoth was what 6 AT-AT's against the massed ground forces of the Rebel Alliance. And all the Rebels could hope for was successful retreat.

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Zehmyan said:

My idea would not be to have figures for soldiers. Just tokens, lovely stackable tokens.

But so much of the cool land based fighting is done by people. Not just Jedi, there are more types of storm trooper than you can shake a stick at.

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There are examples out there of 6mm (and even 2mm) infantry miniatures that are still recognisable interpretations of the subjects they model - Epic 40K was around about this scale IIRC. I can't recall any examples that are pre-painted though.

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Battle Damage said:

There are examples out there of 6mm (and even 2mm) infantry miniatures that are still recognisable interpretations of the subjects they model - Epic 40K was around about this scale IIRC. I can't recall any examples that are pre-painted though.

There are some. Flames of War is a good example. But I have to disagree with Epic. Space marine squads look like mushroom patches.

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Flames of War is 15mm (about 1:100), as the ridiculous amount of tiny IS-2 tanks sitting in my wardrobe will atest. Dropzone Commander is 10mm - something like that might be a better fit. I disagree with you about Epic: The Space Marines are recognisable as Space Marines and the Orks are recognisable as Orks. I even managed to do a conversion on an Ork, swapping a gun for a power-fist. Each to their own I guess. I just hope if ground version of this game comes, it's got the right scale to have a bunch to allow me to do a bunch of AT-ATs wailing on a Jawa sand-crawler. I'm sure we can all agree on that…

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Battle Damage said:

Flames of War is 15mm (about 1:100), as the ridiculous amount of tiny IS-2 tanks sitting in my wardrobe will atest. Dropzone Commander is 10mm - something like that might be a better fit. I disagree with you about Epic: The Space Marines are recognisable as Space Marines and the Orks are recognisable as Orks. I even managed to do a conversion on an Ork, swapping a gun for a power-fist. Each to their own I guess. I just hope if ground version of this game comes, it's got the right scale to have a bunch to allow me to do a bunch of AT-ATs wailing on a Jawa sand-crawler. I'm sure we can all agree on that…

Epic Figs are recognizable, but I don't think they look cool. For me at least, looking cool is a big part of mini games.

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ThadiusCole said:

I think a ground war version of the game would work better with the Clone wars setting since a majority of those films and animated series focus on the ground battles. The galactic civil war would be hard to balance when you have one side bringing massive assault walkers and the other fields volunteer soldiers and the odd fixed gun emplacement. At least in the space combat area both sides have advantages over the other but neither are the outright winners in any regard. Ground combat would be a slaughter for the imperials everytime, unless the fighting was on Endor of course.

I agree with others that if FFG did decide on a ground version then DUST style models and expansions would suit even if the scale wasn't accurate. But let's get all of FFG's attention on adding as many starfighters as possible before we head down to the planet's surface yeah :)

I agree. No one would ever play rebels because you'd have a swarm of identical Rebel Soldiers against a highly diverse selection of Imperial Troops. As much as I'd love to see Storm/Snow/Scout/Dark Troopers, AT-ATs, AT-STs, it wouldn't be fun going up against the 'wide' selection of Hoth Soliders, Endor Commandos, two types of Turrets and Ewoks.

I also think Dust has a great scale for itself, but that scale is too big for a SW minis game. The system is solid, though.

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IG-58 said:

Well, actually, if I could snap my fingers and have my druthers, I'd go for 1/144. It'd be perfectly manageable; if you want an idea, look no further than F-Toys. The ground vehicles in that line consist of the AT-AT, AT-ST, AT-TE, TIE Crawler, AAT, snowspeeder and even a trooper on speeder bike. Oh, and Lord Vader. The scale works real nice for a table.

1/270 would allow for bigger, cheaper combats and a smaller required play area; but yeah, infantry pretty much disappears at that size. 1/144 is really the smallest size where foot units are recognizable, and viable as miniatures.

At those scales how would you handle infantry?

As an experiment, I took the figures from the old MPC Hoth battleset model (the figures are roughly 1/144), and mounted them in pairs on small tiddly-wink bases. I count those as "fire teams." There are also prepainted 1/144 WWII figures made by Pegasus, generally $7 for a 10-pack. Not Star Wars, but there they are. They work at that size - but again, 1/144 would be the bare minimum for such resolution with troop minis.

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