Umm, if attacking a monster two spaces away, you would have to use a ranged weapon and the Action printed on that card, wouldn´t you? While this still results in an attack, technically it is using a card action - which must be accompanied by an Evade action if in a space with the same monster, according to the rules.

Edit: The turn summary on pg. 6 spells it out: Use a card Action, or attack a monster in your space.

The detailed Action Step explanation on pg. 9, however, states that the investigator may choose a weapon or attack spell to attack a monster and get around the Evade check.

Worth asking FFG?

Parathion said:

An excellent point.  In fact, in the Investigator Turn Summary (p.6), the Action Step 'Attack a Monster' is specifically described as:
'Choose a monster in his space to attack'.  So using a ranged weapon doesn't count as Attack a Monster

Therefore, any action that is not attacking a monster in your space would require an Evade action.  Interestingly, though, it seems as though in Elbi scenario of three monsters in your space, as long as you were attacking ONE of them, you wouldn't need to Evade the other two, as you would be legitimately performing the 'Attack a Monster' step.

Unless someone discovers something to undermine all this, I believe I've leant something myself!

K xx

Then again, if you check under Evade tests (p. 13 or 14 IIRC), it says attacking a monster with a Spell, weapon or with no weapon doesn't require an Evade test.

Which sadly does leave damaging, but not counted as "attacks" like Typewriter requiring Evade. Shanking some Cultist with a Knife doesn't require one, but bashing him over the head with a Typewriter or sprinkling Holy Water does.

Elbi said:

Ooops. Sorry, I wasn't aiming at trolling anyone. That is how I felt it. But the rules state it differently, I'd play with the rules.

Mr. K said:

That might be the solution, actually.
1st rule: As long as you attack a Monster in your space, you don't have to make Evade Checks (no matter what type of weapon).
2nd rule: If you use your ranged weapon to attack a Monster NOT in your space, you have to Evade every monster IN your space.

Looking at other games, it's basically "If you stand next to the archer, he can't shoot at someone" or "... you get to beat him if he DOES".
This would be represented in MoM by the 2nd Rule, while general "but the archer can try to defend himself in melee" is the 1st Rule...

I like that one :)

@ amikezor

I know you're not trolling, its just... the interpretations vary SO GREATLY from person to person that somewhere in the middle of the last page I thought I missed some inside joke O_o

Solved!

Q: Does an investigator in a space with a monster have to evade that monster if he intends to attack a different monster in a different space, e.g. using a ranged weapon?

A: As per the rulebook, he does not need to evade to attack another monster (page 15):
Attacking a monster does not require making an evade test.
This attack may be unarmed, with a weapon, or with an “attack”
Spell card. This attack does not need to target a monster in the
investigator’s space.

I hope this answers your question!

-Corey Konieczka
VP of R&D
Fantasy Flight Games 

He's right, it's there in black and white.  It really is amazing what you can miss in the rule book.

It's a shame though, I like it how we left it, and to me actually feels more "natural".  I might have to make my first House Rule on this one.

K xx

Few questions about Evade checks:

1. From what I understand, Brass Knuckles, an equipment card that does not specify to attack a creature, would incur Evade checks from each monster occupying the Investigator's space before using? Equally, all cards that as an Action that do not state to attack a creature incur Evade checks too, even if they are stated or insinuated as Weapons?

2. If a monster is stunned, does it still incur Evade checks?

3. If an investigator has combat penalties, from Darkness, Broken Arm, etc., does he or she commit those negatives to Evade checks too?

4. In general, does Evade count as combat but without the use of the Combat cards?

Thanks.

Tromdial said:

#1: Going by RAW, yes. Some people want to argue that Brass Knucks, using the Typewriter, etc. should be attacks since they do damage and thus wouldn't require an Evade.

#2: No (as per FAQ).

#3-4: No, Evade is not combat. If something gives him -2 Dexterity, that will hinder him, as does Stun (-2 to all checks), but generally anything that modifies combat, doesn't modify Evade.