Immune to Player Card Effects

Cards with the text "Immune to player card effects" ignore the effects of all player cards. Additionally, cards that are immune to player card effects cannot be chosen as targets of player card effects
 

It seems like in this case, that Beorn could not be targeted by Fate or Fortune even though he is in the discard pile. However abilities like Stargazer target the deck so it wouldn't apply.

Sprenger said:

I'm tempted to agree with you since stargazer wouldn't target Beorn to look at the deck, but it most certainly would effect him during the "put back in an order" part. The same would need to hold true for Gandalf's search. How you resolve these effects, I don't know.

Angus Lee said:

I think you must be right. When it is in a discard pile, then Beorn's text cannot apply. Thus there is at least one card that combos well with Beorn, I feel. But I might ask about it to be sure.

Maybe at some point FFG will make a "Turn into a big freaking Bear!" event or attachment card with text stating to ignore the immunity text on Beorn. That way only specific cards could be used on him. It seems messy though.

 impaulm has a really good point.  I was surprised to see that Beorn made the first box in the first place.  I was expecting it to be ALL dwarves and then we would see the non-dwarf heroes in the second box.  So the idea of an event or attachment that gives Beorn regenerate 1, or +2 def is not out of the question.

i was thinking something similar, i though Beorn should have had regenerate 1 but i am no designer… i really hope we shall see cards that weaken enemies, could help out Beorn some way

Memetix said:

Not to be contrary (which means that I'm going to be… lol), but I believe this reasoning is incorrect.  The rulebook clearly states that:

Page 25 "In Play and Out of Play":
"In play" refers to cards that have been played or put into play (in a player’s play area), to cards that are waiting in the staging area, to the currently revealed quest card, and to encounter cards that are engaged with that player. "Out of play" states are" in a player's hand," "in a deck," or "in a discard pile.” Card effects do not interact with cards in an out of play state unless the effect specifically refers to that state."

And on page 6 (under "Card Anatomy Key"), it states that:

"10. Game Text: The special abilities unique to this particular card when it is in play."

So, by combining those rules/guidleines, Beorn's text is not ACTIVE while in the draw deck or discard pile.  Therefore, he should be eligible for player card effects that target those areas (search cards, Landroval, etc).

I didn't have time to scour the FAQ's/updates to see if there was anything that might contradict this, I will do so when I have more time (read: NOT at work.. .lol).  If anyone has more current info, please educate me, thanks!

benhanses said:

Well found, that would make sense and fits in with how I'd like the card to work.

Memetix said:

I haven't ran a lot of Tactics yet, and wasn't too thrilled to see Beorn's text.  It seemed a bit…. ummmmm….   Dull.  Just to be honest.

Let me clarify:  This game is really designed around its heroes.  Specifically, being able to get maximum useage out of them.  Notice how many of the "power" cards in this game are centered around that concept (UC, all the Aragorn/Glor/Elrond/Dwarven/etc. attachments).  So getting a hero (even with big stats) that will just kind of sit there, like a glorified meat-shield and be completely unable to interact with the rest of your deck except to generate rewources OR get searched for (if you are unlucky enough for him to get killed/discarded/buried) seems VERY anticlimactic. 

Despite my lack of excitement about his deck capabilities, I could see him slipping nicely into an Eagle deck perhaps.  Paricularly since Landroval is one of the FEW cards that can have any affect on him.  He would definitely fit the defend/attack theme they fill….

benhanses said:

Just awesome dude! 

impaulm said:

Well, I guess he already is a big freaking bear. :)

Yup, so flavour-wise, it all makes more sense that he can't wear any armour or wield any weapon ^^

Clever designers strike again!

I'm really excited about this hero, by the way. He can basically block and destroy anyhting in early game on his own. The longer the game, the less useful he becomes, but still, blocking anything, anywhere is incredible. Who cares if he takes a bunch of damage, he's got 10 freaking hit points :)

in fact, he's the first Tactics hero I'm really excited about (well, and Háma).

Can Dori use his response to take the damage instead of Beorn ?

"Response: After a hero is assigned any amount of damage, exhaust Dori to place that damage on Dori instead."

The response seems to target the damage, not the hero, so does the immunity apply ?

 A very good question.

gerateur said:

I thought the same when I read Dori's effect for the first time. It seems like it might work, but then again, I'm not so sure. We need a FAQ update ASAP!