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HappyDaze said:
Fgdsfg said:
TechVoid said:
HappyDaze said:
Which brings me back to the old question: Is this damage supposed to fit with the DW Core Rules or with the errated weapon stats?
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Errata is.. well.. errata. Errata is Core. Errata effectively replaces whatever any book said before. So I don't see how this can even be a discussion.
The changes to Deathwatch weapon stats in Appendix I are not really true errata. They are called out as an optional rule that GMs can use or not as desired.
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HappyDaze said:
The changes to Deathwatch weapon stats in Appendix I are not really true errata. They are called out as an optional rule that GMs can use or not as desired.
Well, that is true. This leads me to the simply conclusion that FFG has to consider that some GMs use the optional weapon stats and must state in any upcoming books: "If you use the errata, the weapon stats have to be changed like …".
Of course, this is only true for "new" weapons. Another imperial soldier in another book with his lasgun does not need any changes, because you find new weapon stats in the appendix of the errata.
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TechVoid said:
HappyDaze said:
The changes to Deathwatch weapon stats in Appendix I are not really true errata. They are called out as an optional rule that GMs can use or not as desired.
Well, that is true. This leads me to the simply conclusion that FFG has to consider that some GMs use the optional weapon stats and must state in any upcoming books: "If you use the errata, the weapon stats have to be changed like …".
Of course, this is only true for "new" weapons. Another imperial soldier in another book with his lasgun does not need any changes, because you find new weapon stats in the appendix of the errata.
Cheers,
-- TechVoid.
are you sure about that? because the errata weapon rules are a significant change from Rules As Written….heavy bolter RAW is most definitely NOT heavy bolter errata….
Vae Victus
Zappiel said:
are you sure about that? because the errata weapon rules are a significant change from Rules As Written….heavy bolter RAW is most definitely NOT heavy bolter errata….
And Gauss Flayer only has one set of stats so it doesn't matter which heavy bolter you use since it will be the same either way. Appendix I was primarily intended to rebalance the weapons used by the Astartes.
HappyDaze said:
And Gauss Flayer only has one set of stats so it doesn't matter which heavy bolter you use since it will be the same either way. Appendix I was primarily intended to rebalance the weapons used by the Astartes.
The Astartes ones are the baseline against which the others are set, using the tabletop stats to determine where one weapon compares to another,. A gauss flayer should do about the same as a bolter, for instance.
Indeed, bogi, which is why this issue is an…issue…is the 'official' ffg 'baseline' based on a RAW bolter, or a 'nerfed' errata bolter? Cause i love canon; i love to know what the parameters are….but just what are the parameters of dw? RAW or errata? And are the newcrons in 'outer reach' supposed to go toe-to-toe with RAW marines or errata marines? These are important questions, cause a RAW newcron can be expected to be a lot different from an errata newcron, based strictly on considerations of the bolter as a baseline for damage output.
Vae Victus
Given that the biggest result of the changes to bolt weapons was the reduction in frequency of RF, I'd say that this is a much of a muchness. We're talking about a difference of 5-6 damage per hit, and some differing Rates of Fire. Neither of those things have as big an effect as extra RF rolls would.
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There are no female Space Marines. Don't believe me?
Gender & Appearance
Due to the special nature of the zygotes that make up a Space Marine's geneseed, all Space Marines are male. - Deathwatch, Core Rulebook, Page 28.
So enough with the Female Marine threads…
Well what has also changed is the targets that a bolter can actually damage. 1d10+9 and 2d10+5 are about the same average damage, but the latter can damage targets with much higher damage soak that the former can.
The real difference is the Rightious Fury.
2 Dices per shot means you can roll an additional 10 each time…
If the stats of a creatures uses 2dices then RAW else then use a 4-6 dmg mod and one dice.
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Is there just the one Specialty or are there others?
Player options are my favorite part of Deathwatch books. New gear, too.
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Just one specialty. It's mostly a GM-aimed book.
Yeah, it's very much a 'fodder for missions' book. Other than the Dead Station Vigilant and a few new pieces of equipment it really is a GM's book.
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The views expressed in the above post are my own viewsunless stated otherwise I do not, in any way, shapeform, speak foron the behalf of Fantasy Flight Games.
Writing Credits so far: The Lathe Worlds, The Lathe Worlds - The Lost Dataslate, Only War, Hammer of the Emperor, Tome of Blood, Tome of Fate, Tome of Excess, Church of the Damned.
There are no female Space Marines. Don't believe me?
Gender & Appearance
Due to the special nature of the zygotes that make up a Space Marine's geneseed, all Space Marines are male. - Deathwatch, Core Rulebook, Page 28.
So enough with the Female Marine threads…
Though the Singularity Rounds that let you shoot around corners are hilarious and high-five worthy.
Also, freaking C'Tan Shards. Has no one mentioned that yet? You roll for their stats and abilities, and they are pretty serious fellas.
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