Though of course you wouldn't be having this particular conversation without our use of +/- in the episode…. :p

Things im checking off todays to do list.

1) Give a card a nickname

2) assign a card a relative value through semi-meaningful card analysis conversations

3) generally being a productive member of the community.

time for a nap.

Kennon said:

Heck, even if you went without +/- in the rankings, poeple would probably come on here and say "Eh, I think it's a A-, not an A." :)

Good job, Dennis! Enjoy the nap. Maybe when you're rested you'll come back ready to troll a little. I must admit, I miss that guy a bit.

Really? I like productive Dennis.

Kennon said:

Don''t get me wrong, Productive Dennis is great. I just have a little nostalgia for those crazy threads. Work is a tad boring right now.

Crevic said:

Thanks!

I think Missy is better for mostly the reason that she is easier to stand than Advisor of the Crown.

Long Lances can stand her.  With the Learned crest, Distinct Mastery can stand her.  Maybe you'll want to use her Learned crest for something else(I don't know what though).  To Be a Dragon will stand her.

Her Ally trait and 1 STR really doesn't bother me too much.  Her cost is so low that her ceiling far out weights her floor.  I wouldn't build a deck around her, but the chance she becomes a huge asset just out weighs her potential negatives.

Then there are all the other Targaryen character specifc effects that can be used on her, including Strong Belwas saving her, Maegi's Promise, reducers, etc.

Advisor of the Crown may have more strength and may be easy to get into play early with At the Gates, but honestly, I wouldn't even run him if it weren't in a Maester deck.  Once he is in play, he's worse than any of the 2 influence locations as there are more answers to characters than there are locations.  So, to me, he is only great because he can be acquired by At the Gates. 

Bomb said:

in a dragon deck (which got some solid support in the last cycle), Outwit is huge.

Bomb said:

This is what I was getting at by saying that her plus is that she's in-house. To Be a Dragon is a good combo if you have the cards and inclination to use her influence for something in your hand (FK, Incinderate, or Dragon Thief maybe?) Then again, is she the best target for To Be…, Distinct Mastery, Strong Belwas, etc.? I'd sooner use To Be on my street waif or stealthy dude. Is she, as an influence-providing character (with all that means in terms of weaknesses), worth building in your deck those potential combos when a location can provide the same with more certainty and safety? Sure, those opportunities might arise in a game, and might be good every once in a while, but that's the same with so many other combos. She's a supplemental character, albeit a good one. And she's really good primarily because she's an in-house ally - providing more trait-synergy for incinerate, on-top of the in-built influence.

Bomb said:

I've tinkered around with him in other builds, now that I've decided to focus on Targ almost exclusively for the past 6 months. I think this is somewhat a meta-defined bias. What have the two dominant bulids been in joust for Targ for the past year? KotHH and Maesters. In a maester build, he's pretty much an autoinclude to use your FK early and have a target for chains simultaneously. In a KotHH deck, he's unnecessary since you have the influence to start with. Have we really seen any other really viable Targ builds that are that dependant on influence? Not since Targ summer/shadows - which is really more dependant on gold than influence - and at that point we didn't have cards such as Reinforcements, Incinerate, and Long Lances, which demand a lot of influence. In any deck that isn't KotHH - and we may see some in regionals season - Advisor may be useful.

TL;DR - I like Missy; I like Advisor, but for different reasons. Maybe I'll run one of each. The main decision point for which one to run has come down to plot choices more than these two particular characters' merits. So I guess Dennis was right, in a way. If you have room for At the Gates in your plot deck early game, Advisor is worth it; otherwise choose Missy.

Did you hear that Dennis? ;)

Danigral said:

6 greatest words in the english language when assembled in this order.

Haha.  Yeah I hear you.  Would you use good effects on her over other characters?  It really depends on the context of you and your opponents board.  Do you need her influence to ambush in a good character?  That might be a better option than standing another kneeling character.  I think she simply provides some decent flexibility with some of the options you may have.