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You might argue that no item in a DH book (or any non-RT book) can be RAW within RT. I.e. there is no rule written on Sanctified Armour in RT.
In this context the GM is on firm ground vetoing its use or changings any stat he likes before allowing it.
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Fresnel said:
You might argue that no item in a DH book (or any non-RT book) can be RAW within RT. I.e. there is no rule written on Sanctified Armour in RT.
In this context the GM is on firm ground vetoing its use or changings any stat he likes before allowing it.
"It's never too late to panic."
~ Popular Valhallan folk saying
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Some players beg to differ on this issue… Perhaps you have never met (or been) one? :)
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Fresnel said:
Some players beg to differ on this issue… Perhaps you have never met (or been) one? :)
Those players if they are absolutely insistant are usually the ones not asked to come back to games. I can't speak for anyone else, but I'll take counsel, advice, opinions, and differing viewpoints, but ultimaely at my tables at least rules are entirely within my singular authority. Players that don't like it are free to find another game. There are always more people wanting to play then people willing to run in my observation. I'm not trying to pick a fight, i've just never had these problems that some people describe outside of living campaigns.
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Fresnel said:
Some players beg to differ on this issue… Perhaps you have never met (or been) one? :)
"It's never too late to panic."
~ Popular Valhallan folk saying
Since so many seem to have trouble understanding Technology, Machine SpiritsMechanicus: Link.
There are extremes in both players and GMs.
My point was that a GM is unlikely to be faulted for refusing to allow a DH item/upgrade in a RT game. Even players who are 'Sheldon Cooper' like (and I have played with such for years), would not get annoyed at this.
It can be difficult to GM with awkward players, but if you can run a game where everyone still enjoys themselves despite this, it's a real achievement.
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Fgdsfg said:
But it doesn't change the fact that by RAW, the Availability is Very Rare. You just can't get away from that very simple, very clear fact.
Your fact is misleading when presented without context. You're trying to say that "5 = 5" always regardless of context, but I'm saying that the context is key. If I ask someone to rate something "on a scale from 1-to-5" and they say "5" it obviously means something different than if someone else says "5" when they are working "on a scale from 1-to-10" - in the former case, it means the highest possible category. For the Dark Heresy products we are speaking of, the highest possible category is Very Rare. Translating what this means to RT, we could very easily interpret this to be Unique since that's the highest value in that system. This is quite similar to how character ranks are not equivalent between the systems (where 5 =/= 5).
HappyDaze said:
Fgdsfg said:
But it doesn't change the fact that by RAW, the Availability is Very Rare. You just can't get away from that very simple, very clear fact.
Your fact is misleading when presented without context. You're trying to say that "5 = 5" always regardless of context, but I'm saying that the context is key. If I ask someone to rate something "on a scale from 1-to-5" and they say "5" it obviously means something different than if someone else says "5" when they are working "on a scale from 1-to-10" - in the former case, it means the highest possible category. For the Dark Heresy products we are speaking of, the highest possible category is Very Rare. Translating what this means to RT, we could very easily interpret this to be Unique since that's the highest value in that system. This is quite similar to how character ranks are not equivalent between the systems (where 5 =/= 5).
The parallel to Ranks isn't apt, because there are conversion for the ranks. A Rank 1 Rogue Trader character is equal to a 5000xp Dark Heresy character, which means roughly Rank 5. We all know that it's terrible RAW (because of the differences in advancement costs, etc), but it is still RAW.
"It's never too late to panic."
~ Popular Valhallan folk saying
Since so many seem to have trouble understanding Technology, Machine SpiritsMechanicus: Link.
Fgdsfg said:
HappyDaze said:
Fgdsfg said:
But it doesn't change the fact that by RAW, the Availability is Very Rare. You just can't get away from that very simple, very clear fact.
Your fact is misleading when presented without context. You're trying to say that "5 = 5" always regardless of context, but I'm saying that the context is key. If I ask someone to rate something "on a scale from 1-to-5" and they say "5" it obviously means something different than if someone else says "5" when they are working "on a scale from 1-to-10" - in the former case, it means the highest possible category. For the Dark Heresy products we are speaking of, the highest possible category is Very Rare. Translating what this means to RT, we could very easily interpret this to be Unique since that's the highest value in that system. This is quite similar to how character ranks are not equivalent between the systems (where 5 =/= 5).
Except that, as I have mentioned repeatedly, there is no conversion schemes by RAW. Your interpretation is entirely valid from a homebrewing perspective, but it doesn't change the fact that it is RAW. You'd have to eyeball each of the items between a rarity of Very Rare and Unique. Houserule as much as you want - but it doesn't change the RAW.
The parallel to Ranks isn't apt, because there are conversion for the ranks. A Rank 1 Rogue Trader character is equal to a 5000xp Dark Heresy character, which means roughly Rank 5. We all know that it's terrible RAW (because of the differences in advancement costs, etc), but it is still RAW.
RAW has no value in and of itself. You seem to want to give it value. I see that as a failing in you.
HappyDaze said:
Fgdsfg said:
HappyDaze said:
Fgdsfg said:
But it doesn't change the fact that by RAW, the Availability is Very Rare. You just can't get away from that very simple, very clear fact.
Your fact is misleading when presented without context. You're trying to say that "5 = 5" always regardless of context, but I'm saying that the context is key. If I ask someone to rate something "on a scale from 1-to-5" and they say "5" it obviously means something different than if someone else says "5" when they are working "on a scale from 1-to-10" - in the former case, it means the highest possible category. For the Dark Heresy products we are speaking of, the highest possible category is Very Rare. Translating what this means to RT, we could very easily interpret this to be Unique since that's the highest value in that system. This is quite similar to how character ranks are not equivalent between the systems (where 5 =/= 5).
Except that, as I have mentioned repeatedly, there is no conversion schemes by RAW. Your interpretation is entirely valid from a homebrewing perspective, but it doesn't change the fact that it is RAW. You'd have to eyeball each of the items between a rarity of Very Rare and Unique. Houserule as much as you want - but it doesn't change the RAW.
The parallel to Ranks isn't apt, because there are conversion for the ranks. A Rank 1 Rogue Trader character is equal to a 5000xp Dark Heresy character, which means roughly Rank 5. We all know that it's terrible RAW (because of the differences in advancement costs, etc), but it is still RAW.
RAW has no value in and of itself. You seem to want to give it value. I see that as a failing in you.
I don't. You just have issues with reading comprehension. All I ever did was tell you what was RAW. I even said repeatedly that I think this is stupid. I even said repeatedly that if I were the GM, I'd adjust it. I said repeatedly that I agree with you. You just keep arguing for the sake of arguing.
RAW is just RAW. We discuss RAW because it is the common ruleset we all share and then expand and adjust upon on a per-group basis. You can say "This is what I'd do in my group…" or "I suggest this be adjusted to…"; but it doesn't change RAW. No matter how much you insist that the RAW is stupid, it is still RAW.
Deal with it.
"It's never too late to panic."
~ Popular Valhallan folk saying
Since so many seem to have trouble understanding Technology, Machine SpiritsMechanicus: Link.
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