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Published on 16 January 2013 - 05:35:57
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Reply #16 | Published on 24 January 2013 - 11:39:47

I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm currently sitting with the book in front of me, bought in Norway from a Norwegian retailer. This is mere days after the book's first appearances in the US, so if the UK hasn't got it yet, something is very different in how books are sent there. 

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Reply #17 | Published on 24 January 2013 - 11:48:59
signoftheserpent said:

HappyDaze said:

signoftheserpent said:

Berhagen said:

 

Actually Navis Primer arrived in the EU about à month before the US, so it really seems to be on an individual release basis.

 

I don't know if that's true, but even so that's one book. Meanwhile we are still waiting for Outer Reaches as well.

 

No reason for the skepticism - it's true. If you're consistently having problems getting the products, consider using a different market (or move). Complaining here certainly can't help as it's not something FFG can control once it's out of their warehouses.

 

Oh dear. Fanboy time again.

Clearly you don't understand any of this, so let me explain.

Some of FFG's products have not appeared in the UK. They have not been listed as available by the distributor, Esdevium. If they don't list it, shops can't order it. That's how it works. The fault then lies with FFG since they shop to the distributor. If it's not listed it's because FFG has a particular problem with those books.

I didn't say i consistently had problems. I said there are some books that have yet to become available. I'm afraid I can't help you if you don't bother to do me the courtesy of reading what has been written.

Suggesting I move is quite ridiculous, do you seriously think someone is going to emigrate to the US just to get access to a roleplaying book?

LOL got to love people with no reasoning in thier head. Yeah emmigration for rpg access is kind of rediculous. Personally I stopped buying hard copies of the books last year, and have gone entirely PDF. Ive never tried but I would assume you could get them that way regardless of location. I highly reccomend it, as I have my whole 40k library on my phone and can prep adventures anywhere im at.

Thinking about another thread, I wonder if any pdf readers out there can auto translate the text for those wanting books in other languages. I know google can auto translate web pages, so I wonder if the pdf readers can too.

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Reply #18 | Published on 24 January 2013 - 13:18:05

Cryhavok said:

signoftheserpent said:

HappyDaze said:

signoftheserpent said:

 

Berhagen said:

 

Actually Navis Primer arrived in the EU about à month before the US, so it really seems to be on an individual release basis.

 

I don't know if that's true, but even so that's one book. Meanwhile we are still waiting for Outer Reaches as well.

 

No reason for the skepticism - it's true. If you're consistently having problems getting the products, consider using a different market (or move). Complaining here certainly can't help as it's not something FFG can control once it's out of their warehouses.

 

 

Oh dear. Fanboy time again.

Clearly you don't understand any of this, so let me explain.

Some of FFG's products have not appeared in the UK. They have not been listed as available by the distributor, Esdevium. If they don't list it, shops can't order it. That's how it works. The fault then lies with FFG since they shop to the distributor. If it's not listed it's because FFG has a particular problem with those books.

I didn't say i consistently had problems. I said there are some books that have yet to become available. I'm afraid I can't help you if you don't bother to do me the courtesy of reading what has been written.

Suggesting I move is quite ridiculous, do you seriously think someone is going to emigrate to the US just to get access to a roleplaying book?

LOL got to love people with no reasoning in thier head. Yeah emmigration for rpg access is kind of rediculous. Personally I stopped buying hard copies of the books last year, and have gone entirely PDF. Ive never tried but I would assume you could get them that way regardless of location. I highly reccomend it, as I have my whole 40k library on my phone and can prep adventures anywhere im at.

 

Thinking about another thread, I wonder if any pdf readers out there can auto translate the text for those wanting books in other languages. I know google can auto translate web pages, so I wonder if the pdf readers can too.

Some people don't want .pdfs, which I fully understand. If I could afford it, I would definitely buy all the books hardcover, and if I was planning to buy the hardcover, why should I shell out extra to have it as .pdf?

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Reply #19 | Published on 24 January 2013 - 13:51:49
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Cryhavok said:

LOL got to love people with no reasoning in thier head. Yeah emmigration for rpg access is kind of rediculous. Personally I stopped buying hard copies of the books last year, and have gone entirely PDF. Ive never tried but I would assume you could get them that way regardless of location. I highly reccomend it, as I have my whole 40k library on my phone and can prep adventures anywhere im at.

 

Thinking about another thread, I wonder if any pdf readers out there can auto translate the text for those wanting books in other languages. I know google can auto translate web pages, so I wonder if the pdf readers can too.

Why are you mentioning pdf's?

PDF is no use to me at all.

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Reply #20 | Published on 24 January 2013 - 19:22:46

signoftheserpent said:

Oh dear. Fanboy time again.

Clearly you don't understand any of this, so let me explain.

Some of FFG's products have not appeared in the UK. They have not been listed as available by the distributor, Esdevium. If they don't list it, shops can't order it. That's how it works. The fault then lies with FFG since they shop to the distributor. If it's not listed it's because FFG has a particular problem with those books.

I didn't say i consistently had problems. I said there are some books that have yet to become available. I'm afraid I can't help you if you don't bother to do me the courtesy of reading what has been written.

Suggesting I move is quite ridiculous, do you seriously think someone is going to emigrate to the US just to get access to a roleplaying book?

 

Now you know how we in the USA feel about ordering from Forge World.

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Crimson Father, ever crimson. No matter what sees the eye.-Ferrus Mannus, Primarch of the Iron Hands Space Marine Legion.

Reply #21 | Published on 24 January 2013 - 19:38:58
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signoftheserpent said:

HappyDaze said:

signoftheserpent said:

Berhagen said:

 

Actually Navis Primer arrived in the EU about à month before the US, so it really seems to be on an individual release basis.

 

I don't know if that's true, but even so that's one book. Meanwhile we are still waiting for Outer Reaches as well.

 

No reason for the skepticism - it's true. If you're consistently having problems getting the products, consider using a different market (or move). Complaining here certainly can't help as it's not something FFG can control once it's out of their warehouses.

 

Oh dear. Fanboy time again.

Clearly you don't understand any of this, so let me explain.

Some of FFG's products have not appeared in the UK. They have not been listed as available by the distributor, Esdevium. If they don't list it, shops can't order it. That's how it works. The fault then lies with FFG since they shop to the distributor. If it's not listed it's because FFG has a particular problem with those books.

I didn't say i consistently had problems. I said there are some books that have yet to become available. I'm afraid I can't help you if you don't bother to do me the courtesy of reading what has been written.

Suggesting I move is quite ridiculous, do you seriously think someone is going to emigrate to the US just to get access to a roleplaying book?

Fanboi? Not sure where you get that idea from. I'm not even sure what your definition is… As for moving, that was a joke. You seem to take this way too seriously, so it's. Not surprising you didn't get it. As for you "helping me" I really think you must be joking now. I don't need anything from you, and its quite apparent that I can't help you with your case of butthurt.
Reply #22 | Published on 24 January 2013 - 21:52:04
signoftheserpent said:

Cryhavok said:

LOL got to love people with no reasoning in thier head. Yeah emmigration for rpg access is kind of rediculous. Personally I stopped buying hard copies of the books last year, and have gone entirely PDF. Ive never tried but I would assume you could get them that way regardless of location. I highly reccomend it, as I have my whole 40k library on my phone and can prep adventures anywhere im at.

 

Thinking about another thread, I wonder if any pdf readers out there can auto translate the text for those wanting books in other languages. I know google can auto translate web pages, so I wonder if the pdf readers can too.

Why are you mentioning pdf's?

PDF is no use to me at all.

Fgdsfg said:

Cryhavok said:

signoftheserpent said:

HappyDaze said:

signoftheserpent said:

 

Berhagen said:

 

Actually Navis Primer arrived in the EU about à month before the US, so it really seems to be on an individual release basis.

 

I don't know if that's true, but even so that's one book. Meanwhile we are still waiting for Outer Reaches as well.

 

No reason for the skepticism - it's true. If you're consistently having problems getting the products, consider using a different market (or move). Complaining here certainly can't help as it's not something FFG can control once it's out of their warehouses.

 

 

Oh dear. Fanboy time again.

Clearly you don't understand any of this, so let me explain.

Some of FFG's products have not appeared in the UK. They have not been listed as available by the distributor, Esdevium. If they don't list it, shops can't order it. That's how it works. The fault then lies with FFG since they shop to the distributor. If it's not listed it's because FFG has a particular problem with those books.

I didn't say i consistently had problems. I said there are some books that have yet to become available. I'm afraid I can't help you if you don't bother to do me the courtesy of reading what has been written.

Suggesting I move is quite ridiculous, do you seriously think someone is going to emigrate to the US just to get access to a roleplaying book?

LOL got to love people with no reasoning in thier head. Yeah emmigration for rpg access is kind of rediculous. Personally I stopped buying hard copies of the books last year, and have gone entirely PDF. Ive never tried but I would assume you could get them that way regardless of location. I highly reccomend it, as I have my whole 40k library on my phone and can prep adventures anywhere im at.

 

Thinking about another thread, I wonder if any pdf readers out there can auto translate the text for those wanting books in other languages. I know google can auto translate web pages, so I wonder if the pdf readers can too.

Some people don't want .pdfs, which I fully understand. If I could afford it, I would definitely buy all the books hardcover, and if I was planning to buy the hardcover, why should I shell out extra to have it as .pdf?

I can understand wanting to stick with one medium. My suggestion was to get you the information now as opposed to whenever FFG fixes stuff so they can sell you the hard copy. I was thinking getting the information for actual use would be a good idea. Im sorry you find it a useless option. Good luck to you both.
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Reply #23 | Published on 25 January 2013 - 09:45:45

PDF would be fine enough for me - I prefer english PDFs for reference (and earlier release), then buy the translated german hardcovers once they come out - usually an ice age or two later.

Buuut… is it, just me, or is SoI actually not even available as a PDF? o.O

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Reply #24 | Published on 25 January 2013 - 10:48:36

Not yet maybe in a couple of weeks it takes about a month from release to get to PDF that is what the standard seems to be.

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Reply #25 | Published on 25 January 2013 - 21:30:00
Its not out as pdf yet. Im eagerly awaiting it as such. Generally takes approximatley a month or so after the book is released.
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Reply #26 | Published on 25 January 2013 - 22:20:01
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I have had the book for a few days and have played around with it quite a book.  Overall I am very happy with it.  I have long adapted other RPG random system generators to create systems for my game, and find the book to work well both to make completely new systems and to adapt what I allready have written up.  If anything, I think that it can provide almost too many plot hooks to use in one system.  The colony system seems functional, although a PF sink over the long run.  As my players are more concerned with building up their system than their PF, I don't have a problem with that.  I am working on an Excel spreadsheet to track colony stats, just to make my job easier.  I do like the random item generator, and find that using it to make up an item for a new group of Xenos gives me a good feel for how that race works.  The items traits and quirks then become 'common traits' of the Xeno equipment, which then provides a clue to how the race thinks.

 

On the issue of PDF vs Hardcover, I generally prefer to have hardcovers of my books.  Probably because I like to have the various books open to the resources I need all at once.  For this book though, I may get the PDF as well.  With all the charts and flipping back and forth it would be nice to have the ability to print out copies of the relavant pages for myself.  FFG does seem a little bit scattered in how their books are deployed, but the game is more than good enough to put up with that quirk.

Reply #27 | Published on 26 January 2013 - 02:33:42

Well, I'll hope for that month then.

System generation is actually not what I'm looking for - AstroSynthesis works out for me in that regard. Just add some WH40k oddities, and I'm good to go.

 

How does the colony system work? Are we talking ship-like construction with components? And how is it a PF sink?

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Reply #28 | Published on 26 January 2013 - 04:50:45

Darkheyr said:

How does the colony system work? Are we talking ship-like construction with components? And how is it a PF sink?

I haven't finished reading that section yet, but it seems to be a huge expansion of the colonization Endeavours. The players have to give up a sizeable part of their PF (this can be as much as 10 PF for Industrial or Mining colonies) in order to accquire what they need to start the colony. They also have to create a charter, assign leadership, designate the purpose of the colony, etc. Then they have to find a suitable place to put this colony and actually do so, which could lead to adventures on its own. This entire process is designed so that the players and GM have to build an Endeavour around it, and the success of building the colony then comes from the amount of Achievement Points they get. 

The colony starts out small and can grow over time if it is successful. Eventually it may turn into a gigantic hive city and become a true powerhouse in the Koronus Expanse, but that probably takes time, effort, and a bit of luck. Meanwhile the players will be called upon to participate in the colony's growth, deciding when to use extracted resources for growth and when to keep them for themselves, how to deal with the leadership, and what upgrades to build. Stuff could happen, from Xenos invasions to finding ancient ruins below the colony that are better left alone, and it's up to the players to make sure the colony can survive these challenges. As the colony grows, so does its PF value. 

 

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Reply #29 | Published on 26 January 2013 - 14:30:24
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TiLT said:

I haven't finished reading that section yet, but it seems to be a huge expansion of the colonization Endeavours. The players have to give up a sizeable part of their PF (this can be as much as 10 PF for Industrial or Mining colonies) in order to accquire what they need to start the colony. They also have to create a charter, assign leadership, designate the purpose of the colony, etc. Then they have to find a suitable place to put this colony and actually do so, which could lead to adventures on its own. This entire process is designed so that the players and GM have to build an Endeavour around it, and the success of building the colony then comes from the amount of Achievement Points they get. 

In most cases, finding a suitable location for a colony should be the first step. Getting everything going without a target world in sight isn't too wise.

Reply #30 | Published on 26 January 2013 - 14:59:06

HappyDaze said:

In most cases, finding a suitable location for a colony should be the first step. Getting everything going without a target world in sight isn't too wise.

The book implies otherwise. Regardless, looking at the kinds of systems and planets it generates, finding a reasonably suitable place to plop down a colony isn't that hard. Not that there's anything standing in the way of either approach. 

 

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