OK, aside from humans themselves, what is considered to be the most valuable substance in the imperium?

Gold?  Diamonds? Water?

What?

Psykers... but let's asume those go under the human category.

I'd say raw materials to keep the wheels of the Imperium turning. Ores, minerals, promethium etc.

Psykers... but let's asume those go under the human category.

I'd say raw materials to keep the wheels of the Imperium turning. Ores, minerals, promethium etc.

Technology like STCs.  Information. 

Women.

Awww yeeeeaahh.

Sneakers said:

This.  Old tech, Information, and especially STC-type stuff are priceless. 

I believe the guy that discovered the Hellhound STC was given a planet for his reward...

Materially there are some rare things:

The psychically receptive alloys/crystals used in force weapons

The material they make null rods out of

Psyk Out dust - the stuff from the emperor's throne

THE EMPEROR'S TEARS! Forgot about those. Each tear is microscopic. A single phial the size of a pinky finger tip will contain hundreds of tears.

Hellebore (yes I'm pretty valuable

Hellebore said:

Hellebore (yes I'm pretty valuable

And yet, also foul Xenos technology.

If I do remember correctly in Jodoverse (Incal, Metabarons…) there is some sort of water standard. That means, I suppose, that Kublars (currency in Metabarons RPG) are freely convertible into pre-set, fixed quantities of water.

Also you can always play up on a symbolical aspect of gold.

Human life is certainly the most common commodity in the galaxy. And what with the rules of supply and demand, that leads human life to be the least valuable commodity too.

And what do you end up doing, consciously or subconsciously, with something you have so much of? You waste it. Especially if you refuse to trade it.

Agreed.  But as i said, aside from human life, what is the most valuable thing?

I like the idea that information / STCs are considered the most valuable thing...thats certainly true of today.  And in the 40k 'verse where everything is in decline (supposedly), information relating to the past would seem to be of high value...

...but, do you see there being a 'market' in information trading?

As a traded commodity, i'm inclined to say 'water' is the most valuable, across the Imperium as a whole.  Except i can't see the Imperial nobility adorning themselves with 'water' to express their wealth (except on desert worlds perhaps)..

I'm also rather unimaginatively incline towards gold remaining of high value.  For years gold in the real world has declined in value, yet with the emergence of the credit crunch, gold purchasing has increased rapidly.  It would seem a deep-seated human instinct to view gold as being inherently and intrinsically valuable.

On a related note, what do you see the Imperial economy as being founded on?

In RL economies used to be founded on the gold standard.  Older communities had different foundations (like the Saxon weregeld).

What about the Imperium?

I found my Imperial economy on a weregeld system.  1 monetary unit of value (1 credit) = the value of food and water needed to support one human in temperate climate for one day.  From that, then 'generic values can be ascertained.  I also have prices for certain items fixed by the Administratum so that official commmodity values remain notionally constant across all worlds.

Have you worked out something similar?  How have you founded your Imperial economy / prices of goods, gear, etc.?

Luddite said:

Is "market" the key word here? In that case I think that even if a STC is indeed the most valued thing there can´t be any market for it. Information on the other hand are another story, but that is a buyers market only. You can´t rate the value of information so it is up to the seller to decide what that particular information might be worth to a specific buyer.

I would say that water is one of the most valued things. Mainly because there are entire planets so polluted that there is no natural ecosystem, meaning that there is no clean water. But again, that depends on the system. On some planets there is a surplus meaning that there is no point to selling it. The problem here is of course that nobody has considered these things when the setting was created. Our currencies is based on the value of gold which might not fit in the 40K-universe. On the other hand baseing it on water seems also out of place. 

I think that diamonds are a good choice mainly because carbon is the stuff human are based of. Since most inhabitable planets in the galaxy seems to be housing carbon based lifeforms most planets probably also has diamonds. Making it both common enough but at the same time rare enough to base the currency on. But I am shooting from the hip here. Don't know anything about geology.  

Robban-O said:

  Aye, that pretty much covers most of the 40k 'verse eh?

Robban-O said:

No they aren't.  the Gold Standard was destroyed in 1971 by Richard Nixon.  Most currencies are now fiat (underpinned by governemt guarantees - therefore founded on nothing of inherent value).

There are a few agencies wanting to restore a gold standard (Austrian School of Economics, Malaysia, Objectivists, etc.)  But so far it hasn't returned. 

Essentially the money in your pocket has no inherent tradable value.

Robban-O said:

This makes sense, and indeed damonds also have practical applications and therefore inherent value in producing things....

Actually today's economy lives and dies by two key things, both are a form of fuel. Oil being what keeps the material objects in motion (psykers would be the 40K equivilent here) and electricity that keeps all our cute gadgets and toys operating (that would be the warp). However in the 40K univers your oil tends to just explode at random (being psykers and all) and your electricity tends to set loose demons and all manner of blights (being the warp).

So the next step is how to contain/harness/control your resources. In the real world Saudi oil fields are protected by all manner of high tech devices from super surveillance and motion tracking lasers to dudes with guns. So in the imperium the next valued resource is the military might to keep the eye of terror from being terrible and so forth. As well as the inquisition to go find people who are illegally hacking into said oil and elctricity (rogue psykers and warp spawn and cultists oh my).

In order to keep these forces at bay your inquisitors and soldiers need weapons and armour, so they need raw material. Metal, wood, gun powder, laser magnifying and reflective crystals and so forth.

So in short, there are so many things of value in the imperium no system or sector will ever have the same basic style or desirable elements. One system (such as K'otal the one I created for UA) may specialize in molten ores and orphans (wierd huh?) while another by produce a strange form of fungi that makes even the angry grox docile so it becomes a center of grox production (such as another one of my planets, Snehta). On Snehta nothing is more valuable then your grox herds, people buy, steal, trade, kill for and whatever else they can to increase the value of their grox. He with the most and best grox gets the best deals when negotiating and trading for other stuff.

But in the end, the most valuable thing in the imperium is the Warp. The Astronomicon. Navigators. Astropaths. Psykers and so forth. So anything that has to do with making them more powerful, making them weaker, making them easier to control would be of great value.

Political Power.

War is politics writ large.

Vespers said:

Interesting.

So how would a citizen in the Imperium go about getting political power?

What DETAIL of an Imperial political system do you have or would you propose, in order for someone to get the hands on this valuable commodity of political power??