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Needless confusion is one of the cornerstones of the Imperium of Man. And as for "least important" and "higher quality"… horses for courses. Not everyone would agree with your assessment of these priorities, and with a book like this you want to cater to as broad an audience as possible.
Your rant is needlessly sharp and insulting, though you are certainly entitled to your opinions on the matter.
There will always be "leftover" material from editing, and I for one applaud the decisions to reclaim value from these cuts and the generosity of FFG in a) giving it away for free instead of saving it for future publications, and b) spending resources on editing and formatting it for professional release.
Of course I would prefer to have it all in the book, but that just isn't possible in a print-situation where page count is restricted by binding.
On a finishing note, I'd like to ask H.B.M.C (who I understand wrote this, or at least part of this) if the note about implant quality affecting AP value for the cranial armour is something that applies to the Subskin armour as well :)
Tarald - The Dark Lord of Smeg
You're not drunk if you can lie on the floor without holding on
Author of the Players Datapad & The Excel Combat Datapad
Darth Smeg's House rules for playing DH with OW rules
Darth Smeg said:
Needless confusion is one of the cornerstones of the Imperium of Man. And as for "least important" and "higher quality"… horses for courses. Not everyone would agree with your assessment of these priorities, and with a book like this you want to cater to as broad an audience as possible.
Your rant is needlessly sharp and insulting, though you are certainly entitled to your opinions on the matter.
There will always be "leftover" material from editing, and I for one applaud the decisions to reclaim value from these cuts and the generosity of FFG in a) giving it away for free instead of saving it for future publications, and b) spending resources on editing and formatting it for professional release.
Of course I would prefer to have it all in the book, but that just isn't possible in a print-situation where page count is restricted by binding.
On a finishing note, I'd like to ask H.B.M.C (who I understand wrote this, or at least part of this) if the note about implant quality affecting AP value for the cranial armour is something that applies to the Subskin armour as well :)
Without Signature
In your, not so humble, but still very personal, opinion.
You might prefer origins to an adventure, others might be more interested in adventures. It's all subjective, and your statements about what is and isn't nonsense and/or ridiculous is no more objective than any other opinion about what should and shouldn't be included.
Tarald - The Dark Lord of Smeg
You're not drunk if you can lie on the floor without holding on
Author of the Players Datapad & The Excel Combat Datapad
Darth Smeg's House rules for playing DH with OW rules
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#1. I like free stuff.
#2. I did find a LOT of confusion with all Forge Worlds in the Calixis Sector NOW being referred to as Lathe Worlds.
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Darth Smeg said:
In your, not so humble, but still very personal, opinion.
You might prefer origins to an adventure, others might be more interested in adventures. It's all subjective, and your statements about what is and isn't nonsense and/or ridiculous is no more objective than any other opinion about what should and shouldn't be included.
This book has a specific purpose. It isn't subjective. That's like arguing that the core rules should forego the rules in favour of more fluff or background. THere are certain objective standards that have to be met otherwise you might as well just write fiction. If this material had been written after the main project was published then you might have an argument. Might. But the origins, whether you like them or not, are intrinsic to the game and are part of the function of this supplement. It doesn't matter how they turn out or if you choose to use them. An adventure is merely a bonus and as such the editor should have regarded that as the web freebie. It isn't an opinion, it is a statement of fact; a comment on the quality of the material would be an opinion.
Without Signature
Obvious troll is obvious?
Yeah, signoftheserpent does that. Don't worry too much about him. It's a lost cause.
There's only ONE blanket: MY blanket!
signoftheserpent said:
I'm afraid you just aren't getting it at all.
Obviously not. I think I shall just have to agree to disagree.
Tarald - The Dark Lord of Smeg
You're not drunk if you can lie on the floor without holding on
Author of the Players Datapad & The Excel Combat Datapad
Darth Smeg's House rules for playing DH with OW rules
Solarisjock said:
Obvious troll is obvious?
Without Signature
People like you and me Serpent prefer more rules material than adventures. We're not fans of published adventures, for whatever reason, and would rather see things like the information in The Lost Dataslate included over things like the adventure. But you and I do not represent the whole, and there are probably just as many people who crave published adventures, for whatever reason, and are happy that this series of DH books has included them.
But the good news for all of us is that we got the best of both worlds - all the stuff that couldn't fit into the book that we prefer, and the adventure that is in the book that others prefer. Everybody wins.
BYE
The views expressed in the above post are my own viewsunless stated otherwise I do not, in any way, shapeform, speak foron the behalf of Fantasy Flight Games.
Writing Credits so far: The Lathe Worlds, The Lathe Worlds - The Lost Dataslate, Only War, Hammer of the Emperor, Tome of Blood, Tome of Fate, Tome of Excess, Church of the Damned.
There are no female Space Marines. Don't believe me?
Gender & Appearance
Due to the special nature of the zygotes that make up a Space Marine's geneseed, all Space Marines are male. - Deathwatch, Core Rulebook, Page 28.
So enough with the Female Marine threads…
signoftheserpent said:
Are you seriously this stupid? I can only assume that is the case because even questioning why anyone would leave information of that level out of the book makes absolutely no sense. Presumably then you want supplements to ignore the kind of information they are intended to cover, yes? Instead you resort to the troll label, incapable of actually understanding the point. You seriously mean to suggest that an adventure, which could easily have been publisehed online, trumps actual game information pertinent to the subject matter? Would you still argue this point if they had chosen not to include the character types?
yup, obvious troll is obvious.
signoftheserpent said:
Darth Smeg said:
In your, not so humble, but still very personal, opinion.
You might prefer origins to an adventure, others might be more interested in adventures. It's all subjective, and your statements about what is and isn't nonsense and/or ridiculous is no more objective than any other opinion about what should and shouldn't be included.
I'm afraid you just aren't getting it at all.
This book has a specific purpose. It isn't subjective. That's like arguing that the core rules should forego the rules in favour of more fluff or background. THere are certain objective standards that have to be met otherwise you might as well just write fiction. If this material had been written after the main project was published then you might have an argument. Might. But the origins, whether you like them or not, are intrinsic to the game and are part of the function of this supplement. It doesn't matter how they turn out or if you choose to use them. An adventure is merely a bonus and as such the editor should have regarded that as the web freebie. It isn't an opinion, it is a statement of fact; a comment on the quality of the material would be an opinion.
From it's inception, the book was intended, just like all the source books supplements, to contain an adventure.
End of.
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Since so many seem to have trouble understanding Technology, Machine SpiritsMechanicus: Link.
Yeah, as a matter of fact I think there are adventures included in almost all DH books. Which, as a GM, suits me just fine, as I like it when they include them. Mainly because I have less and less time to prepare an adventure. So I modify existing ones.
Without Signature
I have one question about the supplement; are the old characteristic modifers for Forge Worlders from IH (-5WS, +5 Int) intentionally left out, as in they are not supposed to be applied to Forge World characters, or is that just an oversight?
Not a big deal, just curious, since my ex-skitarrii storm trooper possibly ought to be a bit brawnier, but a little stupider. :P
Another little quandary; there wouldn't also happen to be charts for body builds and pigmentations for Forge Worlders scrapping about the office somewhere, is there? Again, just out of curiousity, since I'm quite happy with my dark-skinned, blonde, green-eyed Beefy McExtraHueg of an ex-skittarri.
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Loved it. My tech preist will love the bits I show him too, and I was wondering if there were any planned releases for bits like this for the other books… Some Aritrator/Scum origins would be real nice (specific skills/talents like in the lost data slate) and some Schola progenium stuff would be cool aswell. Just thought I'd say :D
"I wouldn't say that the Ancient Eldar were completely like the Dark Eldar Corsairs. Otherwise there wouldn't have been enough smart enough to leave before the Slaanesh hit the fan" - Mjoellnir
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