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Published on 25 July 2012 - 16:12:40
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Reply #16 | Published on 06 August 2012 - 17:44:14

 And this is why you don't know how the card works.

If you can't answer this question then you don't understand the effects and will never be able to find the answer.

Kaleidoscope of Calyptra does not say that the means of determining how a card goes insane is altered in any way. It says that the end result of going insane is replaced with wounding. If it does not alter the determination but instead alters the end result then the process remains unchanged, meaning the only legal cards which could be made insane can be chosen. When you go to flip the card KoC says you must wound that card instead, so you do. Done.

"Crumbs, DM!"

Reply #17 | Published on 07 August 2012 - 01:10:17
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 You know its not described in the rules as such and the fact that you understand this wording this way doesnt make it less ambigous.

I see the logic of your interpretation but it is not mechanical process of interaction with timing. Choosing legal targetting etc might be affected in some ways, you can try to disrupt this wound, try to disrupt going insane and what can and cant be done depends on details of timing that your approach simply doesnt cover at all… simple mechanical rules are more clear and can have complicated interactions more easly.

Science is a way of trying not to fool yourself. The first principle is that you must not fool yourself,you are the easiest person to fool.
R.Feynman

Reply #18 | Published on 07 August 2012 - 02:34:09
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i can't help myself and apologise beforehand ( giggle ).

but the definition of Zephyr = soft, gentle breeze.

be one with your namesake my young friend………..

i do empathise with you, i really do. it is a common virtue of youth to try and change the system somehow. in my day it was anti-logging, chaining ourselves to bulldozers and sitting 50ft up an old growth tree to stop them chopping it down. now, it seems to be more of a digital revolution.

but you know what. all our efforts, and all our time, amounted to zero. they simply ignored us and cut down trees somewhere else. people have lives, wives and complications, and the fist of youth is generally a soft one. yes, changes can be made, but they are slow and require patience and some time collecting the rare few that will rally to the cause. if you want to make a database, thats really great, but it won't happen with a thunderous clamour of supporters, will often go unrewarded, and will just plain annoy those without the time or interest in devoting to it if constantly hounded.

the fact that 'humanity' has generally been tamed, hypnotised, brainwashed and trained into jumping through the hoops of society / media and interconnectivity is only making the 'revolutionary' cause harder to instigate.

thats my spiel. ending with a blather of nonsense, as im finding lackey much more rewarding and time consuming as im teaching a new player nearly every 2nd day and having a ball, without some pesky derogitavely french speaking monkey on my back responding to everything i say. have fun. may the cool stay cool, and the 'disappointed' a little more patient and 'breeze-like'.

progenitor of the Shub / Yog AO deck / 2012 meta - haha

Reply #19 | Published on 07 August 2012 - 04:42:32
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 I just think about systematic solutions that should work in the long run rather than one time solutions.

The more i think of this effect the more i see it as a disrupt timing effect that is passive to force it, but it should have disrupt timing. With disrupt timing of changing effect after initiation but before resolution it all works well.

There is still problem of interaction with other disrupts, but timing of:

play all disrupts to not altered version; apply replacement; play all disrupts to the altered version should work just fine; if thats whats it about.

Science is a way of trying not to fool yourself. The first principle is that you must not fool yourself,you are the easiest person to fool.
R.Feynman

Reply #20 | Published on 07 August 2012 - 16:12:40

 This is me leaving this conversation.

"Crumbs, DM!"

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