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signoftheserpent said:
I'm tired of this constant ad hom abuse. [Edited for expletives]
Nice comeback . Grow up. Ever since you started posting here you were complaining about the game and how you were not going to get it. You were rude and argumentative with almost every post you made. Now you are getting mad at others because they are tired of your crap. And swearing on top of it. I have already reported you to the moderators as I don't want to read nonsense like your posts. You went against what you said and got the game anyway, great I hope you enjoy it but if you cannot contribute to the discussion here in any kind of a meaningful way and just want to complain constantly then go post somewhere else more appropriate like BGG.
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signoftheserpent said:
Saturnine said:
Kaic said:
I'm fairly certain the 3X of the Identities is a printing cost issue, it was cheaper to have 3 copies of it than to have only one, and definitely cheaper than 3 different identities. I'm not part of FFG so I can't say for ceratin, but it does line up with everything I've heard about printing cards.
As much as I hate to put more fuel into the fire of serpent's tiresome tirades, that is actually not the case. All the cards for one pack are printed onto a single sheet, so it makes no difference to the printer what those cards actually are. However, the 3x for identities makes everything so much simpler for FFG because they have an odd number of factions, so if they included only one copy of each identity, they would end up with either one or two empty slots for some of their 60 card packs. Having 3 of each keeps it simple and fair, everyone gets their 20 new cards at 3 copies each.
I'm tired of this constant ad hom abuse. [Edited for expletives]
signoftheserpent said:
Saturnine said:
Kaic said:
I'm fairly certain the 3X of the Identities is a printing cost issue, it was cheaper to have 3 copies of it than to have only one, and definitely cheaper than 3 different identities. I'm not part of FFG so I can't say for ceratin, but it does line up with everything I've heard about printing cards.
As much as I hate to put more fuel into the fire of serpent's tiresome tirades, that is actually not the case. All the cards for one pack are printed onto a single sheet, so it makes no difference to the printer what those cards actually are. However, the 3x for identities makes everything so much simpler for FFG because they have an odd number of factions, so if they included only one copy of each identity, they would end up with either one or two empty slots for some of their 60 card packs. Having 3 of each keeps it simple and fair, everyone gets their 20 new cards at 3 copies each.
I'm tired of this constant ad hom abuse. [Edited for expletives]
You call my sarcasm "seen far too often" on these forums, yet when someone posts an idea that doesn't coincide with your views exactly, you lash out with obscenities. His "ad hom" is felt by everybody else in the community, after your "Distribution" thread showed how utterly ignorant you are the mindset that is FFG's unofficial business motto.
But I digress. However, I dare you Serpent to go to FFG'S worlds next year and look at the top 4 decklists. Want to wager on how many of those are going to be dependent on using cards that are 1x and 2x in the core ste, even if they 'Fell for FFG's evil scheme: making money" and bought 3 core sets? 1, maybe. That means that there's a 75% chance that the amount of core sets that you buy is not related to how well you do in the biggest competition in the world.
Making money is done by them in a lot of ways, and if printing 3x of cards that are only needed 1x is easier for them then why not take the extra cards and make an origami bird or something? I for one with they included double sided identities in the core set, because I shuffle mine into may deck so much. 3x gives me the ability to do such a thing and give the identities to a friend not well-financed enough to keep up-to-date. Let me be the only one here that likes the 3x identities, and give FFG'S some praise for that idea. (even if it wasn't about that in the first place :/ )
Game, set, and match serpent. QED.
In other words, the Jinteki identity is defiantly going to be my style of play. I love having a war of attrition and making the runner feel like he always needs to do more.
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signoftheserpent said:
Hdnggrnchrg said:
signoftheserpent said:
This is from the January pack, yes?
Why do Jinteki get no love?
Not sure if trolling or just dim-witted…
I get that Android NR is seen as a more cerebral cardgame, that's why I picked it up.
But it's not an excuse to be rude.
The attitude on this forum, far too often, is utterly uncalled for.
I mostly lurk on these forums and not to be mean but the majority of rude posts I see seem to come from you. Idk if I am just taking it it the wrong way it just seems as if most of your posts are meant to troll. Like I said might just be me.
Anyway to be on topic I love the new Jinteki cards, I do feel like they fit better with the original I'd while the new I'd can make for some cool new deck ideas.
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Toqtamish said:
[angry angry angry] go post somewhere else more appropriate like BGG.
This is getting out of hand. Sending him to BGG? That's just mean.
Keggy said:
Toqtamish said:
[angry angry angry] go post somewhere else more appropriate like BGG.
This is getting out of hand. Sending him to BGG? That's just mean.
You call it 'thievery'. I call it 'social justice'.
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Messenger said:
Keggy said:
Toqtamish said:
[angry angry angry] go post somewhere else more appropriate like BGG.
This is getting out of hand. Sending him to BGG? That's just mean.
To signoftheserpent or to the people at BGG?
Send him there, maybe he'll go the way of Michael :D
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Geez, these cards are beast. Talk about hemming in the runner.
Maybe it's just me, but I feel like the new Jinteki ID would be really great for protecting economic assets like Pad Campaign, Melange, and Adonis campaign. Wouldn't it also make gaining the credits off Bank Job a much bigger hassle?
Also how would it work with the Bullfrog ice previewed from A Study in Static? Does it end the run or would it not be a legal target?
And like a thunderbolt he falls
Love all three of these cards. Super happy to see Fetal AI get a reprint, and the operation is a powered down version of another kickass corp card from back in the day. The new identity is probably weaker than it looks on the surface, since two of the current runner identities are designed to run central servers often anyway, but I really like the trickiness it represents.
"What I like best about you, Neal, is that you trust me."
Jinteki's stock definitely seems to be going up.
I like the new identity, but I forsee it being hard to manage well. If you can somehow maintain your three central servers, with a Tollbooth installed at the outermost spot on each, it might be pretty useful. Even better if you can get an Archer on each, but that would be way too difficult for Jinteki. Otherwise, the most you're likely to get out of it is a wasted action each round, and maybe a credit or two, before the runner can run your agenda server. Even then, the runner may be able to make use of the run so that the action isn't even a waste, so it's hard to say how well this identity will work.
Again, though, I feel like FFG has undermined the new identity before it is even released by putting it with a card that promotes the use of the core set itentity. Fetal AI pairs so well with Personal Evolution that it almost feels like an exclusive agenda for just that one identity. 3 damage for stealing an agenda (and 2 credits out) is pretty huge. Now the runner has to run with a full (or Dieseled-up) hand when running to score, or they'll be hurting big time. When Trace Amount hits, I'll probably start running Net Shield more often, just because the damage is going to start adding up… unless something better comes along for dealing with net damage.
Trick of Light is also a card I can see myself splashing in quite a few decks, but it's definitely good that they made it a Jinteki card. Jinteki really needed something like this. They are supposed to be the trap masters, and yet I feel like they are currently the worst corporation right now, especially with pulling off the traps successfully. This will help to make their traps more versatile, and may even cause the runner to consider running an advanced junebug, knowing full well what it is, just to trash it.
TheRealLeo said:
Again, though, I feel like FFG has undermined the new identity before it is even released by putting it with a card that promotes the use of the core set itentity.
I think that's a good thing, to be honest. Fetal AI is good enough that I would use it with either identity, but the synergy with Personal Evolution is probably the one thing that'll keep me from putting PE back in the box and never taking it out again.
Forcing a run on a central server is huge. And you don't need triple tollbooths or Archers or even Katanas for Replicating Perfection to be worthwhile…a simple Hunter on Archives is enough to add insult to injury, but even if it's just a wasted click for the run, that'e enough to get more mileage out of your Bullfrog and Nisei II delays, seriously hurt Wyldside, and so on.
So by subtly boosting their comparatively lackluster core set identity, they're encouraging a more diverse range of viable Jinteki strategies, which is definitely welcome news.
TheRealLeo said:
Again, though, I feel like FFG has undermined the new identity before it is even released by putting it with a card that promotes the use of the core set itentity.
I don't this is an accurate statement at all. Nothing says that every card they release in the data pack cycle has to help the identity released in the data pack cycle over the core set identities. Both identities need cards to expand their decks with.
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So, can I just beef up my hand and remote servers then, leaving my 45 card deck naked? (Are there cards that let me search my RnD and add them to my HQ? If so, I'm going for agenda and completely minimizing the chances of the runner grabbing any from RnD!)
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vermillian said:
So, can I just beef up my hand and remote servers then, leaving my 45 card deck naked? (Are there cards that let me search my RnD and add them to my HQ? If so, I'm going for agenda and completely minimizing the chances of the runner grabbing any from RnD!)
Then again, Jinteki does have Precognition…
You call it 'thievery'. I call it 'social justice'.
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Toqtamish said:
TheRealLeo said:
Again, though, I feel like FFG has undermined the new identity before it is even released by putting it with a card that promotes the use of the core set itentity.
I don't this is an accurate statement at all. Nothing says that every card they release in the data pack cycle has to help the identity released in the data pack cycle over the core set identities. Both identities need cards to expand their decks with.
Furthermore, consider that the opposite- FFG supports the new identity with cards that promote it over the older one- would undermine older cards instead. Thus, we'd only be two expansions in and yet Jinteki's original identity would already be "obsolete".
At this point, going back to Jinteki's 1st identity is a fair thing to do as far as fleshing out the game is concerned. Besides, it can't be said that the new identity doesn't already have the parts it needs from the Core Set or WLA.
You call it 'thievery'. I call it 'social justice'.
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