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Toqtamish said:
MarthWMaster said:
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juggler434 said:
Plus releasing a core expansion at this point would annoy the people who already bought multiple core sets, who are the people most likely to buy the data packs when they come out. I don't see FFG releasing a core expansion.
This is a great point.
It's actually not. When they re-released old packs from AGoT and CoC with the 60-card format, the overwhelming response was positive. And why shouldn't the same happen here? Even if it's a bit late to be announcing a core expansion, and might even feel a bit unfair for those who already purchased 2x or 3x, why should we want our fellow players to be spending $20 - $60 more on the hobby than they should be?
Not the same thing. Those were expansion packs that used to be 40 cards, 1 copy of 10 cards and 3 copies of 10 cards. They then upgraded them all so that it is now 3x of every card in the re-released packs. Nothing about any of the Core sets for either of those already existing LCG's changed at that point. Just the way expansion cycle packs work.
Please clarify. My argument is simply that players would not argue with having the option of buying an expansion, rather than multiple Core sets. You fail to explain why this would not be the case.
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You were giving an example using expansion cycle pack reprints. It is not the same thing as a core set. FFG stance on core sets has been made clear ALOT of times. The horse is dead stop beating it. FFG wants diversity in their core sets not completeness. If they were to move the core sets to 3x cards there would be a lot less actual different cards in the core sets. They have also said it is not viable to just print extra copies of the cards in the core sets.
Buying an extra core set is really not a big deal. It is way cheaper than any CCG option and not something you have to do by any means. I played for a year before I ever got my second copy of AGoT core set. Having the second core set was great, I gave the extra rules to a friend. I have more house cards to use with my multiple decks, extra game pieces that I gave to my friend just starting out etc. I will do the same thing with Netrunner soon as I get my second set.
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This isn't exactly what I'm asking for. I am extremely happy to receive a more diverse set of cards that may lack playsets, instead what would make me estatic would be the option to purchase an add on pack that would fill in the gaps that exist in the core game's card sets. I understand why it's not economically feasible to pursue making a coreset a full playset but instead allowing for this addon pack will mean for many more sales.
I don't believe offering such an option would bother many people who've already purchased multiple core sets either as then they can buy the addon packs to upgrade each of their coresets to a full playset. In such a social hobby, this is an excellent choice as that means you now have even more copies of the game and you can gift them to friends or donate them to local gamestores. Really so many ways to use your now multiple playsets. While not precisely similar, I do believe that Dominion has had quite some success with their add on pack which turns any expansion into a full copy of the game (addon only contains gold and VPs). Having more choices on how to purchase the product can hardly be a bad thing (buy just core? multiple cores? core and an addon?) and while you may worry customers who already purchased multiple copies feel tricked or betrayed by the introduction of an addon pack, remember that it may mark the beginning of a trend such that future LCG lines may come immediately with an addon pack option.
Finally as for beating a dead horse, I'm not looking to push for playsets of cards in a core game. I'm looking at the creation of an addon pack that would again, "fill in the gaps" for the coreset. Even more incentive can be created by packaging one or two promo cards into the addon pack too. So while the issue of getting a full playset with every coreset is absolutely dead, the potential for an addon pack is far from it. Voicing my desire of the product goes a long way towards establishing that demand for this exists, it'd be profitable and players would benefit from it. I want to put it out there as a rallying cry for exposure that there is a huge demand for this type of product. My thoughts on the costs are that all of the cards are done and designed, only more need to be printed and packaging designed to get this product on store shelves instantly. The earlier in the life of the game that this product exists, the more appealing the game becomes as showing it to long time ccg players will really highlight the appeal of the LCG model when i can drop the coregame and a single $20 addon in front of them at the register and say "you're set now, full playset! Go forth and deckbuild!"
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Adding a promo or two to the addon pack would be an exceptional way to drive further demand even from people who have multiple coresets. A perfect choice for such a promo alongside this game would be a new neutral agenda which would immediately provide huge customization benefits as the core set sees you using every single one of your own agendas along with all of the neutrals with no chance for customizing that aspect of the deck out of the box yet. A single set of new agendas also provides the opportunity to make larger than minimum decks right away as well.
While it may then offend some of those who purchased multiple coresets that there now exists a single card they do not have access to, programs could be enacted that could reward the submission of multiple core set proof of purchases or availability of the single promo in marketplaces such as the boardgamegeek store or FFG online stores. In short there should be no reason why the sudden availability of such an addon pack would upset players who have already exhibited their love of the game and want it to succeed further.
Finally: So once more I call, not about beating playset dead horses, but for interest in an addon pack available alongside the CoreSet. Would you be happy to know that this addon pack was available for purchase? Would you buy it for netrunner? for other LCG lines including future ones? Would you recommend it to others? I'm fishing for demand here so let's hear back in waves even if it's only a "YAR!"!!!!!
No, I fully support FFG and their core set decision and fully endorse anyone who wants more cards to get the extra core set. Trust me having the extra core set is great and of more benefit than you might think at first. And no amount of petitioning is going to change this. It hasn't worked before any of the other bazillion times these threads come up. FFG is on record that the cost for this is not worth it to make an add on pack.
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Pixel said:
Adding a promo or two to the addon pack would be an exceptional way to drive further demand even from people who have multiple coresets. A perfect choice for such a promo alongside this game would be a new neutral agenda which would immediately provide huge customization benefits as the core set sees you using every single one of your own agendas along with all of the neutrals with no chance for customizing that aspect of the deck out of the box yet. A single set of new agendas also provides the opportunity to make larger than minimum decks right away as well.
Pixel said:
While it may then offend some of those who purchased multiple coresets that there now exists a single card they do not have access to, programs could be enacted that could reward the submission of multiple core set proof of purchases or availability of the single promo in marketplaces such as the boardgamegeek store or FFG online stores. In short there should be no reason why the sudden availability of such an addon pack would upset players who have already exhibited their love of the game and want it to succeed further.
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In the spirit of the OP's suggestion, I'd also love to see a "core set completion add-on pack" released.
I do not see how it would not be viable for FFG. The number of cards is comparable to what is included in a regular expansion pack; packaging wouldn't require any major innovation or particularyly expansive cost. Anyway, as long as such a product would be less expansive than the Core set, it'd be a better option for the player.
Maybe it would reduce sales on Core sets, but I don't know that their profit margins would be that much lower on such a product.
As Pixel said, even if some believe this is a dead horse, being vocal about the issue is still the only way to show there is demand for such a product.
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The thing is, there was considerable demand for such a pack with some of their previous titles. And even in those cases FFG said "sorry, it's just not economical, but, hey look, for Netrunner we've taken your concerns into account and have gone out of our way to ensure that far fewer people will be left unsatisfied by the distribution in the core set."
So, assuming they've succeeded*, you can imagine how much more uneconomical this would be (and correspondingly, how much less likely it is that any groundswell of support will change their minds).
*Which seems to be the case, from everything I've heard…You may disagree, but this is nothing compared to the rampant outrage I've read about W:I, for example. A whole lot of people did bristle at A:N's lumpy distribution when they first heard about it, but got really quiet once the spoilers came out.
In summation there is no way an alternative core release/expansion is going to happen no matter how much people talk about it. You can buy 1, 2, or 3 core sets and enjoy playing Netrunner becasue it is an epic LCG or move on and play Tanto Core. There is not other way, you have to do one of those two choices…
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i like this idea but i'd prefer if the core set already came as a complete playset. seems like we won't have either though. c'est la vie.
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While I understand that they may have reached the decision in the past not to offer such a product, I'm still always optimistic about outlooks changing. That includes the feasibility always having the potential to change due to finding cheaper manufacturing processes or an increased show of demand (What we're generating here).
Though the past may have seen this option denied, still no reason to not vocalize our desire for it. I appreciate the responses and just want to say this is one of the ways that I'm looking to share my excitement for the game. Reaching out to the community to talk about this great game.
Another option they would have had would be to follow the CoC model with a "highlander" core set. Yes, you still need multiple core sets to have a full playset, but at least you are not buying cards you do not need…
Furthermore, this would have hallowed them to include even more diversity in the core set, which the designers claim is one of their goals with each core set (although I do not share their appreciation for that specific concern).
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