So you don't like an IG core book, you won't be getting this one, and you'd rather just play DH or RT. Why are you posting in this section again?

I'm sure you're not intending it to be trolling but if you're only discussion on a book is that you don't think it should exist it adds nothing to the conversation. Send FFG customer service an email expressing your lack of interesting and let the rest of us chat about the book.

Droma said:

Greetings,

If you look at the above thread title and earlier messages in the thread, I was originally responding about OW's Beta announcement and publication date rumours.  The discussion then migrated towards discussing OW's viability as a stand-alone core book, perceived difficulties with roleplaying military campaigns, and 40K fluff.  If you notice, I was replying to YOUR messages.  That's OK - I don't think YOU are trolling. :)

Personally, I think that this is the PERFECT forum for discussion about OW's viability as a stand-alone core book, perceived difficulties with roleplaying military campaigns, and 40K fluff, but perhaps not the right thread.  ;)

Cheers,

Ken

ItsUncertainWho said:

Actually, I've gotten to beta test a number of systems for 4 companies. Not one has ever asked me to pay a portion of the cost upfront to do so, not until Only War. (The closest I'd seen before was video games that let you into the beta test if you pre-order.) This is especially troubling to me for two reasons. The first Kasatka already said; I prefer to have a hardcopy book to look through, this is particularly true for the core rulebook. That the money I would pay to be in the beta test would never be applied to the end product I want, making it a wasted expense for me for helping out the company do a job they need done, especially one that is usually done for free or even occasionally earns you goodies, is rediculous. It is definately not the "normal". The second issue is that I am firmly in the camp that staunchly believes Only War should have remained a DH suppliment. I preordered it as soon as it was allowed when it was a suppliment, but having purchased 3 of the 40k RPG core rulebooks already I have no desire to purchase a 4th. That's already what kept me from buying Black Crusade, which I didn't even consider. IG is my favorite faction, so I was at least going to look into it for Only War. Demanding money upfront to just help beta test the game is NOT going to make me more eager to buy a product I'm already skeptical can stand on its own.

H.B.M.C. said:

The number of 40k RPG products I've pre-ordered and had delayed says otherwise.

Adding my $0.02 USD…

As someone familiar with game publication, I also am unsettled by the idea of paying to playtest. Traditionally, playtesting has been a JOB, usually paid in merchandise (and often in a playtest byline). I'vd got a lot of game books I earned just that way. And while it's at least made a bit more fair by making the money up front essentially a down payment on the complete PDF, I would have been a whole lot happier if A) FFG had been completely, bold-print up front about the cost - what happened smacks of bait-and-switch internet marketing douche-baggery, and B) if the very act of doing the work of playtesting got the playtesters a complete copy of the finished PDF, in essence giving a half-price copy for the play-testing work.

As for PDF books, while I do enjoy the hard copy, I would love to have every 40K RPG book on PDF, simply for the convenience of carrying them. You try to carry every darn book in the series. Heck, try to stuff more than three of the core books in a back-pack. Sure, you can get them in, but the mass adds up. Now add supplements. Go on. Uh huh; thinking of fetching a forklift, aincha?

As for the psychic rules, the old WFRP rule, which were copied without thought into DH, suck bad. There's too much dice rolling as it stands. Simplify, simplify.