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After getting HoN a couple of days ago I'm still playing and enjoying the first quest Peril in Pelargir. I have some questions though, some because I don't entirely trust the German translation.
1) Collateral Damage
I got this treachery when it was the last card in the encounter deck. To draw the required cards I had to create a new encounter deck from the encounter discard pile. My question is: Do the three other copies of CD that were in the discard pile count to the additional cards I have to draw? I guess yes, as they were in the discard pile when I added CD to the staging area, but I'd like to have some confirmation about this.
2) Harbor Thug
So Ht engages me when I increas my threat at the and of the round. Does he also attack me or do I just move him from the staging to the player area?
3) Trouble with the Locals (not sure if this is the correct name, as I translated it from German to English)
The German version uses a keyword that I'm not familiar with (ready for battle). Does this simply mean that I have to raise my threat when I ready that hero? Or only when I ready him during the combat phase?
4) The German translation sucks again. Not as bad as in the first Hobbit expansion, but I wished they would use the keywords more consistently. I mean there's a difference between "bekämpfen", "angreifen", "in eine Kampf verwickeln" etc. Especially if you choose "angreifen" (attack) as a translation of "to engage". Would be nice if someone could give me the English keywords for each of the enemies in this scenario. Unfortunatly I could only find "Harbor Thug" at cardgamedb.
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1. That is a great question (Collateral Damage). The English text reads:
"When Revealed: Discard 2 cards from the top of the encounter deck. Discard an additional 2 cards for each copy of Collateral Damage in the discard pile. Then, raise each player's threat by 2 for each location discarded by this effect."
I don't know the answer. I will vote "yes" because I'm thinking you should use the discard pile that existed at the time that the "When Revealed" text was… well, revealed.
2. Harbor Thug's effect will cause him to engage, but not make any extra/immediate attacks. Use Boromir to take these guys out of the staging area on turn 1 for easier questing!
3. Local Trouble. The English text reads:
"When Revealed: Attach this card to the hero with the highest threat cost without a copy of Local Trouble attached. (Counts as a Condition attachment with the text: 'When attached hero exhausts, readies, or triggers an ability, raise its controller's threat by 1.')"
Sounds like the German translation is just bad. You have to raise your threat any time the hero readies, not just during the combat phase.
4. When you say 'keyword,' do you mean the effect texts for the enemies? When I hear 'keyword' I think of single words with specific meanings, like 'Battle" on a quest card or 'Secrecy' on a player card. I can type out enemy and location texts for you, but it will have to wait until later when I have more time… maybe someone will beat me to it before then!
Anyone have any idea when/if cardgamedb or lotrlcg.com will be updated with Heirs of Numenor cards?
leptokurt said:
After getting HoN a couple of days ago I'm still playing and enjoying the first quest Peril in Pelargir. I have some questions though, some because I don't entirely trust the German translation.
1) Collateral Damage
I got this treachery when it was the last card in the encounter deck. To draw the required cards I had to create a new encounter deck from the encounter discard pile. My question is: Do the three other copies of CD that were in the discard pile count to the additional cards I have to draw? I guess yes, as they were in the discard pile when I added CD to the staging area, but I'd like to have some confirmation about this.
As I read the card, I think your scenario would go like this:
Draw Collateral Damage, no cards in encounter deck. Collateral damage remains in the play area while you shuffle discard pile to make a new encounter deck. Discard two cards off of the new encounter deck, raise threat for each location discarded, and raise threat by two for each collateral damage in the discard pile which equals zero as the only cards in the discard pile are the two you just drew for collateral damage.
This is how I have been playing it, but I too would like some confirmation.
"If simple folk are free from carefear, simple they will be,we must be secret to keep them so. That has been the task of my kindred, while the years have lengthenedthe grass has grown." - Strider, The Fellowship of the Ring
GrandSpleen said:
1. That is a great question (Collateral Damage). The English text reads:
"When Revealed: Discard 2 cards from the top of the encounter deck. Discard an additional 2 cards for each copy of Collateral Damage in the discard pile. Then, raise each player's threat by 2 for each location discarded by this effect."
I don't know the answer. I will vote "yes" because I'm thinking you should use the discard pile that existed at the time that the "When Revealed" text was… well, revealed.
2. Harbor Thug's effect will cause him to engage, but not make any extra/immediate attacks. Use Boromir to take these guys out of the staging area on turn 1 for easier questing!
3. Local Trouble. The English text reads:
"When Revealed: Attach this card to the hero with the highest threat cost without a copy of Local Trouble attached. (Counts as a Condition attachment with the text: 'When attached hero exhausts, readies, or triggers an ability, raise its controller's threat by 1.')"
Sounds like the German translation is just bad. You have to raise your threat any time the hero readies, not just during the combat phase.
4. When you say 'keyword,' do you mean the effect texts for the enemies? When I hear 'keyword' I think of single words with specific meanings, like 'Battle" on a quest card or 'Secrecy' on a player card. I can type out enemy and location texts for you, but it will have to wait until later when I have more time… maybe someone will beat me to it before then!
Anyone have any idea when/if cardgamedb or lotrlcg.com will be updated with Heirs of Numenor cards?
Thanks for answering. Helps a lot re: Harbor Thug and Local Trouble.
With "keyword" I usually refer to traits that you mentioned, but also to stuff like "negage", "put into play". Perhaps I should have said "concept of play"?
Re: Boromir - Of course I'm trying the new Boromir who works quite fine together with Beregor and Thalin.
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I did you one better, and went ahead and scanned all the cards for Ithilien and Pelargir to the best of my ability. URLs here:
Ranger of the Force said:
leptokurt said:
After getting HoN a couple of days ago I'm still playing and enjoying the first quest Peril in Pelargir. I have some questions though, some because I don't entirely trust the German translation.
1) Collateral Damage
I got this treachery when it was the last card in the encounter deck. To draw the required cards I had to create a new encounter deck from the encounter discard pile. My question is: Do the three other copies of CD that were in the discard pile count to the additional cards I have to draw? I guess yes, as they were in the discard pile when I added CD to the staging area, but I'd like to have some confirmation about this.
As I read the card, I think your scenario would go like this:
Draw Collateral Damage, no cards in encounter deck. Collateral damage remains in the play area while you shuffle discard pile to make a new encounter deck. Discard two cards off of the new encounter deck, raise threat for each location discarded, and raise threat by two for each collateral damage in the discard pile which equals zero as the only cards in the discard pile are the two you just drew for collateral damage.
This is how I have been playing it, but I too would like some confirmation.
100% agree
Wizard is never late...
GrandSpleen said:
I did you one better, and went ahead and scanned all the cards for Ithilien and Pelargir to the best of my ability. URLs here:
Wow, thanks, GrandSPleen. That's helping me a lot! :-)
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