Even better news, the KV copter and SSU heroes are also up for order and all three now date 20th August :)

I couldn't find where it said release date of August 20th, can someone help me out so I can convince my buddy that it is true.

It's written in the text of each item when you go to its page.

It's about time about 50% of gameing group has already last intrest and moved on. I have to admit I am also close.

Panzer soldier said:

Your gaming group lost interest because 3 box sets of units haven't been released yet? They must have a rather short attention span :)

Seblys said:

Agreed, the SSU is very playable without a ton of chopper support.  

Well yes they did lose interest. Gamers are a fickle lot. Plus people expect good customer service, especially with expendable income like a hobby.

How many businesses promise the customer a product by a specific date, and are consistently late by months say in business? They also offer no explanation  to the customer.

In short don't piss on me and tell me it's raining. As for being competitive you are delusional again. I wish I could play a game against your toothless SSU force!

Well when playing against SSU you need to NOT-use some units, like A3 comand squad, since the enemy force haven't got any. (will they have any?!).

And i must agree with P s on the marketing part of the thing. Showing : LOOK AWSOME MODELS!! SOON! and then telling us horny-dusters nothing about them for few months rly sucks. They schould wait with those until they get them on place, then start advertising. Now it's just wasted potential.

Panzer soldier said:

Not delusional at all, just factual.  I've played games and I have one - facts.

Agreed, from the looks of it, the units had some quality control issues at the factory because they've been stuck "at the factory" for some time.  The biggest problem?  No announcement from FFG that they had been delayed.  Oh, it probably won't cost FFG anything in the long run, but I've noticed that the longer I wait after release before buying, the cheaper it all gets from retailers.  Of course, if something else comes up, then my gaming budget will go elsewhere. 

While I love the game, the long lag time for the SSU, the lack of a SSU army box (which they actually have enough of now to push) and general lack of communication has cost and will continue to cost FFG some short term money. 

Does having to wait an extra month suck, sure…. Does it make me want to say I quit on the game just because this one box is a month late… of course not. Hell, other forms of entertainment such as movies and video games are regularly delayed a year or more from when they are set to release and sometimes never ever see the light of day at all…. Models from pretty much every other miniatures company around have delays, a lot of time a hell of a lot longer than a month after the unit is even possibly playable. And the reason why FFG has a tight lipped policy and why they don't even talk to forummembers at all even more is because people cried and cried and pissed and moaned non-stop everytime they made any announcement… so we have no one but ourselves to blame as to why we will never again here another word from them. People can say they want the company to tell them when things will be delayed and keep them informed, etc., but when a company does this they are brutalized with internet trash talking about how could they do this and I'm taking my money and going somewhere else, blah blah blah… If after 6 months, this game is trash because there are 3 boxes out of 100 that you have to wait a month extra to play with, then I don't see that it matters where you decide to take your gaming dollars too… because they won't be able to please you either… no one will… odds are you will end back in GW 40k land where kits take 6 months to never to be released after a codex comes out and cost twice what they should cost…..

The SSU are plenty competitive even without those 3 boxes. The game has only existed for 6 months and the Zverograd book that introduced those units just came out. To wait a month after the book comes out to get the final  3/12 boxes available for use with the faction doesn't sound like a disaster to me. GW takes months and months and months to sometimes years (or even never) to have all the models available that they put in their books, and most of the time, those unreleased models that you have to wait 6 months or more to be released are the best units in the new book.

Seriously… the models are only a month behind the rules to use them…. whats the big problem here? The game warfare has only been around half a year… show me another game that has this many models available for it in its first 6 months of existance… you won't find one… The day the Dust warfare rulebook came out, every single model inside was already available (thanks to Dust tactics). Upon release of Zverograd 11/14 kits that were in that book (with the new allied and axis walker kits) were available the day it was released and the final three are only a month behind….

Warfare has only existed for 6 months… In six months you are already sick of the game? If that's the case, how the hell are 2 choppers and 3 heroes going to keep you interested?

I swear, its like the whole damn world has ADHD… a term that didn't exist when I has young by the way, and the world was in better shape then than it is now…

Somehow I ended up in the tactics section instead of the warfare section… wtf? Oh well… My post makes alot less sense now…   I still think poeple cry too much so I'll just stick to what I said.

People complain it's our rite. I think Lska hit the nail on the head, just wait until you have the product before you start to advertise it. Let alone put a release date out.
As for all of the comparisons to GW, I could not agree more. The things you listed and more are why they don't get my toy money anymore.

 No game company in the world would succeed if they didn't preview products.  Everyone does it.  No one shows pictures AFTER they're ready to sell, that's silly.  And Tactics has rarely been late when they've actually given a date.  SSU got slighted a bit on release, not badly.  The Hades stuff is already on the boat.  

And delusional?  If you think you need attack choppers to win a game, then you need some better lists, SSU have plenty of teeth in their current state.

blkdymnd said:

While SSU are playable, they are at a significant handicap when faced up against heavily armored enemies. They currently lack in anti-tank weaponry, pretty significantly too. They desperately need the RG anti-tank squad and some sort of armored anti-walker unit, like the attack chopper or fury of Ivan. Other than that I agree SSU are playable, but ultimately not on a competitive balance with the axis and allies.