Siranui said:

Siranui said:

The techmarine equipment is not much cheaper, if at all.
He doesn't even get basic tools (the combi tool) for his job, while the apo starts with more than basic medical equipment.
The Servoarm is fine, yes but as long as it doesn't count as combitool the low-rank techi is always underequipped.

In addition the auspex and voxcaster are best used by the techmarin, too because of the tech use skill nessesary to fully use both. So two more items the TM should buy. If the kill team doesn't support him (perhaps even over the apo) he will not have anything besides standard stuff the team needs. (more than an diagnostor helmet in most cases)

 The auspex is -IMHO- best used by the pointman with the highest Perception.

Combi-tool "only" gives +10 to Tech-Use. While very cool, that is in no way necessary.

Auspex? Read the Auger Array Implant :) Of course, that's a "sacrifice" (a non-choice for the free implant of a starting Techie)...

 Implants can be bought once and then remain forever, without costing more requisition.

To the OP: In the demo adventure for the Free RPG day of last year, the Apothecary was armed with a chainsword and a bolter pistol. That meant that the apothecary was out of range for most of the non-melee or non-closed spaces combats in the adventure. Very frustrating to the player.

As for the Techmarine, once he can buy the Forge Master advance he becomes a walking god. Artificer Armour for free (AP12), plus Armour Mongrel (+2 AP) plus Machine (2) (+2AP plus no need for breathing and the like, and he can "heal" himself with Tech Use). Terminator Armour has AP 14 and weighs 4 times what an Artificer Armour does...

Argus Van Het said:

But only if you hand your GM a crack pipe before asking him!

This is one of the more problematic Requisition rules, and essentially breaks the otherwise stringent Requisition 'economy'. I recommend drawing a line through it and instead bringing it in-line with the rest of the system by either charging ongoing Requisition for permanent items, or by charging XP, as per the Wargear.

Siranui said:

Exactly my opinion. And it doesn't make them worse, to tell the truth. Only "logical". What we did also was that a player had been very severely (ultra-mega-critically ;)) wounded to the chest, he "bought" the Sprint Talent and had an exceptionnal bionic heart. Worked allright, to. He had burned a Fate Point, after all.

I think I'm alone is saying that I like the starting gear rules.

You get:

Basic weaponry for marines ( Godlike for anyone else in the empire )

Powered Armor with a ton of goodies in it ( yadayadayada godlike yadayada )

Basic specialized equipement ( Servo arm + cybernetic option / Reductor + med thingy / force weapon  for the mentioned 3 )

So here is my thing:

using the example given at the start of the thread:

If an apotecary needs a Jump pack ( haven't seen a jumping apotecary anyone on books or standart isue army lists ) + diagnotic helmet + a sword as basic gear, what is a well equiped medic? what do you want req points for after having those items?

Isidro

Baradiel said:

Thats not bad idea, i would just make some minor changes because i like to try and reflect the tabletop game.

A: Thats fine because you can model them with both on table top

B: I wouldnt allow it because a it costs points in tabletop for assault marines, However is if a tactical marine wanted a flamer (lets say because he is a salamander) i would allow that.

C: Yeah that too is legit in my games.

I just like to keep my game style close to table top but its a great idea.