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Captain Poe said:
The hobbit has always been, and will always be my favorite book. I've waited all my life for this film(s) to be made. That being said, I was sad when my all time favorite director (Del Toro) dropped the film. Anyhow, will this movie break cannon? Yes. Will it remove important plot points, dialogue, and scenes to add in extended over rendered special effects fight scenes? Yes. Will they remove content in favor of making up content that jackson, not tolkien, has written? The worst, but yes.
That being said, i approach these movies knowing its basically a Hobbit re-write fan fiction. Knowing that, I can allow myself to enjoy the films despite the qualms with them. I'll never understand the people who say "its rubbish, I'm not seeing it"… anything short of Tolkien directing the films himself are going to end up with the director putting their own spin on it, so what do you expect? Why ruin the whole experience for yourself rather than just enjoy what you can?
I agree with this 100% I get so confused when people bash on the movies on how they break the lore and change important plot points. My favorite was someone at work getting mad that Glamdring didn't glow blue in the movies so he hated them for it. Personally I think you are just cheapening yourself out of a fun action packed movie to watch. And if you don't like it cause it strays/breaks the lore how can you possibly play this game? The idea of Gandalf, Radagast, Thorin Oakenshield, Frodo, Eowyn, Prince Imrahil, Bifur, and Haldir (don't worry if he dies in this game you have multiple copies of him in your deck so he can come back unlike in the film) returning gollum to mirkwood or fighting the watcher in the water is far more ridiculous than anything Jackson does in the movie. The books are better we all know that, but give the movies a try there is a reason they make so much money! Every movie you go in with an attitude of the books better or lets see what the director will screw up on will be a bad film for you.
"The praise of the praiseworthy is above all rewards."
– Faramir, The Two Towers, The Window on the West
Avalanche said:
Captain Poe said:
The hobbit has always been, and will always be my favorite book. I've waited all my life for this film(s) to be made. That being said, I was sad when my all time favorite director (Del Toro) dropped the film. Anyhow, will this movie break cannon? Yes. Will it remove important plot points, dialogue, and scenes to add in extended over rendered special effects fight scenes? Yes. Will they remove content in favor of making up content that jackson, not tolkien, has written? The worst, but yes.
That being said, i approach these movies knowing its basically a Hobbit re-write fan fiction. Knowing that, I can allow myself to enjoy the films despite the qualms with them. I'll never understand the people who say "its rubbish, I'm not seeing it"… anything short of Tolkien directing the films himself are going to end up with the director putting their own spin on it, so what do you expect? Why ruin the whole experience for yourself rather than just enjoy what you can?
I agree with this 100% I get so confused when people bash on the movies on how they break the lore and change important plot points. My favorite was someone at work getting mad that Glamdring didn't glow blue in the movies so he hated them for it. Personally I think you are just cheapening yourself out of a fun action packed movie to watch. And if you don't like it cause it strays/breaks the lore how can you possibly play this game? The idea of Gandalf, Radagast, Thorin Oakenshield, Frodo, Eowyn, Prince Imrahil, Bifur, and Haldir (don't worry if he dies in this game you have multiple copies of him in your deck so he can come back unlike in the film) returning gollum to mirkwood or fighting the watcher in the water is far more ridiculous than anything Jackson does in the movie. The books are better we all know that, but give the movies a try there is a reason they make so much money! Every movie you go in with an attitude of the books better or lets see what the director will screw up on will be a bad film for you.
you either missed, or misunderstood my last post. allow me to expand
remember film is a medium- just like this game, the books, the online game, the art, the warhammer etc. and not everyone likes the video medium
personally am i quite happy taking a bunch of lore unfriendly group into moria in this game, or taking my hunter/ranger on his lonesome into the colds of forochel in the online game…as this stimulates my imagination. i come up with back stories and so on
the film on the other hand does nothing for me. it has some amazing images, music and acting, but i will always be below standard when it comes to enjoying middle earth.
so no, i am not 'robbing myself' of some extra privalage with this film, as i couldnt really care less….its nothing against the film or the actors, i just really dont get anything out of it
i seem to have a aquired a reputation for being something of an ignorant stubborn mule when it comes to tolkien lore, and thats probably deserved, but it must be pointed out that i engage with a large selection of 'tolkien mediums' if you like, and for the vast majority i have nothing but positive things to say…..apart from the films. and it just so happens that the films are so 'pop' at the moment that they get alot of forum time (not just on this one) so it probably appears im something im not
anyways- just thought id point that out
rich
Author of the forum Tolkienology Series
1:ElladanElrohir 5:Origins of orcs…..
2:Loose ends & mysteries 6: Could've Beens
Voltaire Rich, Voltaire: "I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." ;)
"In a hole in the ground there lived a Hobbit..."
Hey come on guys, i think we all know that the magnitude of Tolkiens work was impossible to get into the Trilogy then the Hobbit movie coming up. I had mixed emotions a decade or so ago when the movies came out as i wanted to see them but i knew for sure that a lot of detail would be left out. It would need a hundred movies to even touch the real storyline but they had to do their best in the time given to them. Im a huge fan of Tom Bombadil, the single biggest enigma in the whole works (in my opinion) but we dont even get a sniff of him in the films as they havent got a clue what the hell he is !!! Im glad they did it but im frustrated like mad (if that makes sense) Cheers.
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