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Flood Waters
Published on 25 October 2012 - 12:47:48
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Reply #16 | Published on 03 December 2012 - 05:56:50

That is . . . disappointing.  The Rivers are barely playable, but with the possibility of using Flood Waters to pile on the triggered effects along with KotHH gave me a small glimmer of hope.  I guess I'll just put them back in the binder . . . .

Thanks.

Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!

 

Reply #17 | Published on 24 February 2013 - 07:10:59
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Somebody from our French board asked Damon stone who has answered the following :

"Yes, Floodwaters allows the chosen River plot to resolve its "then" effect."

 

However I completely agree with ktom and the previous Damon statement.

The main reason is that Flood Water 's "as if you had just revealed it." is only applicable to trigger the effect. And triggering the effect means step 4.1) Initiation. From Step 4.2), the effect is already considered to have been trigered/played. So the "as if" is no longer applicable when we arrive at step 4.3) Passive resolution. And that's when the "Then.." effect of Rover plot card kicks in. At that moment, the "as if…" from Flood Water no longer applies.

Bolzano

Reply #18 | Published on 24 February 2013 - 07:58:24
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Bolzano said:

Somebody from our French board asked Damon stone who has answered the following :

"Yes, Floodwaters allows the chosen River plot to resolve its "then" effect."

It is so frustrating when FFG answers the same question two different ways.

There is a fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness.'

 - Dave Berry

Reply #19 | Published on 27 February 2013 - 12:47:47
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So, I have informed Nate about the contradictory Damon rulings and asked him to confirm the original ruling and he did.

Here is his email:

"The original ruling made by ktom and backed up by Damon should be observed. The conflicting ruling likely emerged as a result of a misunderstanding in communication.
 
Looking at your rationale:
 
1) The effect is triggered "as if" the plot was just revealed, but it is not actually revealed
2) The event allows to trigger a River plot. According to AGOT Timing charts, triggering occurs in Step 1) Initiation. At Step 2), the event is considered to have been played/triggered even if cancelled (as per FAQ entry). So by its resolution in Step 3) we are no longer in the initiation/trigger phase when the River plot is "as if you had just revealed it". So now the "Then…" effect tries to initiate and fail.
 
#1 was the "literal" basis of the ruling; #2 is a very precise and well stated logical reading of the card."

 

Bolzano

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