The Fury de-restriction for Melee is fantastic, and I have to agree with everyone else on how much interaction it can potentially add to a game. Most of the time in Joust, the Furies are really just 5/7/1 plots; assuming an even distribution of houses, you'll probably only get to use the Fury's ability in a third of your match-ups. It's much, much more likely you'll see a Fury-able opponent in Melee, and heck, you've got a decent chance to get a match-up with multiple Fury-able opponents.

I'll be interested to see if the non-Bara Furies become Melee auto-includes. 5/7/1 are pretty phenomenal stats. But given that they're all House specific which reflect the House's flavor and strengths should keep it interesting.

 I dont understand why furies are restricted in just and not in melee, when furies was restrincted i undesrtood, but now, there are many plot that in my opinion are better than the furies, furies will be unrestricted in just.

Threat from the east restricted? i think this its ridiculous, there are another cards that combining winth this plot would be restricted.(laugthing storm)

In my opinion this faq are very poorly, and they didnt change greyscale to only house targa or baratheon…..

orion_kurnous said:

Other than theory and blind reaction to the spoiler, where's the proof that Greyscale needs any errata at all?

 Onion - your posts have consistently baffled me… grammatically, spelling-wise and content-wise - but I'll bite.

The furies are essentially auto-includes in Joust if they stay off the restricted list, something FFG has never really liked (although they've responded to it with various speeds *cough* Meera *cough*). I think they may still be auto-includes in Melee, but they spice up the match because of their house-specific interactions in ways that may well make the game more interesting. I don't know if they're right, but I'm sure we'll find out come Worlds. For now, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.

Threat from the East's restriction is pretty strange, but the general consensus seems to be not that it's because of its interaction with TLS - which, while annoying to the opponent, isn't devastating, but an attempt to counter a very specific combo that would leave your opponent with 1 card in hand. They figured that was a bit much, and despite the several pieces needed to make this one work, decided to stomp on it. FFG historically hasn't been a fan of combos where luck of the draw can determine the match on turn 1. They had originally hoped the re-wording of the plot would be enough… but it wasn't, so for now they're just keeping TftE on the restricted list. As far as I can tell, this doesn't even stop the combo, it just stops the combo from being run with TMP, which helped the deck thin itself and make the combo more reliable.

As for Greyscale… why on earth would it have to be House Targ/Bara only? I haven't seen it played anywhere else, but a 2 cost condition attachment doing some neat things in Dayne or Lanni decks really doesn't bother me a whole bunch. 

Split Melee/Joust lists sounds great to me. Swiss pairing for melee and the change to scoring ties vs modified losses make sense. Thundering Calvary's fix is a good change. Do you really think the whole FAQ "are very poorly"?

The attempt to slow down melee is one I can get behind, but it seems to me that the restrictions aren't really enough. The list seems too small to significantly hamper the faster rushes, and so while a Bara rush might lose two of three event choices (NA champion ran NE, SupCla and Make an Example), other cards that really sped up many a rush deck (RotO Melissandre, for instance, or "non-kneeling" plots) remain untouched. While I don't really want to neuter "Rush" as an option in melee, given that control is at a significant disadvantage due to the abundance of targets to control and rush is at a significant advantage due to the abundance of unopposed challenges available… I think this first step is only a small one in shifting the balance.

-Istaril said:

English is probably not his native language. It's not nearly as baffling as people in the midwest who can't be bothered to use a period.

-Istaril said:

I'd venture it has less to do with "auto-include" and more to do with one-sidedness. In Joust, they can be pretty devastating to the "matched House" opponent, especially given the high initiative which pretty much makes sure you go first. For example, Fury of the Wolf in a Siege deck (where additional MIL challenges can pretty much be assumed) against a Lanni or Greyjoy opponent? Virtually a one-sided Valar. 

In Melee, that potential one-sidedness is muted because of the extra opponents. 

 Ugh, my previous edit is keeping this post showing as unread. Must rectify!

Note: I meant "Orion", not "Onion". It's late.

English isn't my mother tongue either, and writing in several different languages on a daily basis I can fully appreciate the difficulties. However, I'm of the opinion that a basic effort in capitalization and consistency (if not accuracy) in spelling is a bare minimum if you're hoping for other people to read what you write.

-Istaril said:

hehe in fairness half the time i get bored and dont finish reading the grammatically perfect posts either. If you have something super important and want me to read it, make sure you put it in the first sentence.

ktom said:

True, but Superior Claim and Make an Example are now restricted as well, which will really slow down the Bara Rush build.  Not a perfect solution, but as an example FFG could also do an errata "If you have more than 1 opponent, power on that character does not count toward your total power." which would balance it a bit.  I would rather see a slight change to the text to make it more playable in melee than see it on the restricted list.

Skowza said:

I really agree with Skowza here. You don't want to totally neuter Rush in melee (who wants control decks to be prevalent in both formats) but you do wnat to slow things down just a little so it isn't a metter of pushing one Power challenge through and then basically playing solitaire event trigggers and putting power tokens on a House

I just posted this on another post, but oh well.

IMO, restricting and banning cards is more from the "it's not doing what we designed it to do" perspective. The Furies? Everyone is including them? Wasn't our intent, restrict 'em. TftE? One card starting hands? Wasn't our intent. Restrict it. TMP? Strongest agenda in the game? Being over-represented? Restrict it. I haven't liked the direction they've gone in the past with the FAQs, but I really have to applaud their latest management of the game. They are taking a serious look at the competitive environment. They're managing the game to what they want it to be and what they designed it to be. You can grade the FAQ incomplete based on the lack of fixes with regards to rules holes and trait mispelling, but this is exactly the kind of FAQ I'd expect before a tournament.

Does it clarify the card pool? Yes.

Does it give some due clarifications? Yes.

Does it destroy any current NON-GIMMICK builds? I'd say no, but need some help on that one.

Does it make the scoring system more intuitive? Yes.

Does it help people going to the tournament prepare for the tournament? Yes.

Is it timely? I don't really know. I'm not going to the tourney.

What key things would be missing from this FAQ for someone getting ready for Worlds? And keep in mind, I don't think drastically altering the environment a month out would be a positive pre-tournament FAQ. But obviously opinions can differ on that.

 Well, English it´s not my native language ……but i believe this don´t mind because i´m sure that all people understand me, and i didn´t use any forbidden word to insult or anyone.

I´m a person that like to give my opinion over the cards, because this it´s a forum.

In my opinion restrc Threat f. th East, because a Player create a combination of 5 cards to do a combo it´s very very poor, because in this game there are more combinations or several cards that there weren´t restricted. That combination of 5 cards have 2 cards that can be cancel, but if a loser write to FFg because he cryes  "oooohhh FFg a player wins me because he use 5 cards to quit all my hand except one card!!",  if i were FFg i would said to that player that make another deck and put in that deck more papershield or nightmares. XD (This combination it´s not efficient 100%)

Greyscale it´s very dangerous because a friend of mine whith a maester deck, burn 4-5 characters per turn!!!. Greyscale not will be restricted, but believe, it´s better that was only H. Baratheon or Targaryen to avoid that a burn attachment would be at the hands of all people.

Much and more would be restricted because it´s a card that help to do a combination more efficient, but people "don´t worry!!!" , it´s sure that someone will be write crying cards to FFG for this.

Orion_kurnous  meet as "onion"

orion_kurnous said:

Which combinations are 100% efficient?  They all take a deck building effort and the person who used it had created their deck in such a way that it was apparently easy to pull off quite often.  FFG stated that they did not want such a round 1 debilitating combo to be easy to pull off and clearly it was that easy.

This combination in particular has the 3 accessible plots at their disposal, so the only thing the player needs are 2 Maesters to pay for 2 Citadel Law(or 1 Bran Stark and 1 Maester with Citadel Law).  There are ways they can get Citadel Politics faster as well.  One way is to use Much and More.  Another way is when they are using Counting Favors to acquire the rest of your pieces.  They can also grab a Maester using At the Gates if that is all that is missing to finish the combo.  They already have gone through a nice chunk of their deck to achieve the combo they need to get the opponent down to 1 card by the end of the plot phase.

It's so unlikely that the combo is not going to work.

3x Bran Stark
3x Citadel Law
3x Much and More
The Maester's Path

1x of each and every chain attachment to attach to TMP because it reduces the hell out of your deck size.
3x Apprentice Collar(because it can be placed on a character during setup)

1x Old Nan so even she can be used to give someone the Maester trait.

Lots of cheap Maester characters.

If you don't get Citadel Law during your first setup, you mulligan to try and get it.  If you don't get it again, then there's a good chance you've got Bran Stark out at least.  With him, you reveal counting favors.  At this point, if you don't have Citadel Law, you probably at least have 1 or 2 copies of Much and More.  With this you can try and fish out Citadel Politics.

So, the reason it is restricted is because they want to remove the deck thinning capability of The Maester's Path.

Of course you might have already known this, but it may be possible I completely misunderstood your post.

orion_kurnous said:

How might it be different than Threat from the North turns with the chain attachments that help facilitate burn?

@Orion:

I was trying to hold back and not write in this post, but I will not tolerate being called loser and crier. I wrote to FFG after the tournament that was hold in Spain and that was won by Matamagos because I saw a real danger for the game in his combo deck. Several of his opponents got quite angry and frustrated because of starting the game with only one card and even considered quitting the game altogether. In fact, both of them have started selling part of their collection.

I did play against him and lost to his combo. But if you do not know the facts, please shut your mouth instead of filling the boards with nonsense. When I built my deck I did take into consideration that I could play against Matamagos and I did include in my deck 3 copies of Paper shield and 3 copies of TLS. So my deck was prepared to face him. I still lost the game, but that was the game I enjoyed the most of all the tournament, as you could have known if you had spent 5 minutes reading my comments on the Spanish boards. I love his deck and I regularly exchange emails with him with evil ideas for the future. So being defeated by him and his deck was a great experience (even more if we take into account that we were both already classified for top 16).

The deck creates a NPE for the average player, and to every new player in particular. It is very harsh to play with one card and facing a second turn Valar to left you without everything, even more if you are starting in this game and you have to face this deck in first round. I just wrot to FFG to inform about the existence of this deck and its efficiency at comboing his opponent.

@Everyone else:

This guy is some sort of a troll. He's been banned from the two Spanish boards and has created new profiles to continue with his activity. He's had arguments with lots of players in Madrid, including myself when he tried to cheat my girlfriend in a game and got angry when I pointed he was doing things wrong on purpose.

 I hate it when a player wins me.

tarkin84 said:

This guy its a person who forms part of a group of person that are dedicated in forums spanish to insult people that not are acording to theirs opinions or create forums in which they threaten whith banned all people that do not have the same opinion of a card, He is confused whith a friend of mine, i read his post in a spanish forum in which they said that wrote for this combo, and is public, in their forum people who do that are called cryer, for all his friends,  He and his friends are dedicated to do several nicks and insult a friend of mine, it´s for that i believe my friend made a formal complais for pursuit.

Im very sad why people are dedicated to insult people who put an opinion of a card, if a card its over they said you are cryier, you are banned, Many people have troubles with that group of person because they believe that there is only one thing in theirs lives (thrones), i prefer sex.

I talk whit my friend, and another player, the player who played vs your girlfriend, i remember that the judge of the tournament, put you a warning because when you girlfriend after valar went to save her maester, you said "euron" because euron have 2 counters, and she save euron, then you begin to said anothers things, sufle the deck of your girlfriend……, and you no was judge, only a superprotective boyfriend, and my friend call the judge for you, against you,  because in a game, if you see something wrong you must call the judge, not distracting the person who playing versus  your girlfriend, because its a tournament, and if you remember, the judge give to my friend the option to repeat the game, but he declined that because he said that your girlfriend won, he only would liked that you shut your mouth in  a ¡¡TOURNAMENT!!.

My friend are very very tired, that you and other spanish bad players pursuit him for only put and opinion, but now, you can said anything of a card because you are the great TARKINNN !!! whoooooaaaaa,  GREAT TARKINNN!!!  (laugh before please!!!)

In any moment i refer you, but you only came to insult me, because you are demostrating to all forum that you  are very very younger and poor person.

And please, the nex time tell the thruth and don t insult people, if you like said something to a person saidly private, dont acting how a troll.