>Fyndad:  release a beginners boxed set

This may help people get into the game, but it's the 3rd release of the same old stuff.  They're not going to be able to sell it to the likes of us established gamers, and they're hell-bent on the SW game right now.  Worst case scenario, they'd make yet another new edition (4th) and try to fleece the hell out of anyone stupid enough to buy the game a FOURTH time in 2 editions.

I think it's best to just tell people to buy the Core Set..at least then they can get some dice.  Woe to anyone getting into this game without the core set.

jh

Hi Jay,

Thanks for the input. You're opinion is highly respected and had it not been for you and several other dedicated "fans" like Jesse, and Yesesnopes, and Ceodryn, and Neil F. I would NOT be playing WFRP3e. (There are MANY other talented and dedicated fan leaders out there as well, please don't be offended if I left your name out) The FACT of the matter is that FFG would NOT have had many hundreds of dollars of campaign and supplement purchases from me without you guys.

If I may address your response in chronological "bits" (pun fully intended).

">Fyndad:  release a beginners boxed set".  - Are you referring to my post about a beginners boxed set, or suggesting that I create one and release it? I f you meant the latter,  I don't have near the talent or expertise that you and many others here have. Besides Warhammer Quest, my only experience with WFRP is with 3rd edition, and that has only been over the last 18 months or so. I am STILL learning the rules and reading the supplement material.

"This may help people get into the game" - Need we say more? Anything that would expand the player base can't be a bad thing.

"but it's the 3rd release of the same old stuff." - Well,… kind of. I definitely see your point. FFG basically said "here are the rules. Sorry they are so poorly put together. We know,.. It is kind of a mess. Good luck referencing anything." - Then, later: "Here is a much better rule book, and it lets you play without the little pieces, BUT, we have added even more rules, so now you can get these new rules in this book, or buy a portion of them in a campaign box set. For those of you going the core set route, you will just have to buy EVERYTHING but the book, OR buy the book and what supplements you like,.. we think,.. wait,.. is that right?,.. ohh and some dice packs too,.. unless, of course, you bought the book,. then you should purchase 4 dice packs and a vault  if you want three players,.. please do this before you write your letter home, after you move your roommate’s clothes onto the lower peg, if you are playing in this afternoon's match, if you’re not getting your hair cut. Got it ??"  ………….   However….., If FFG were to slim down the rules, aka like the Pathfinder Boxed Set, would it really be the SAME material released again or a more narrow "version" for entry level players and those "interested" in learning a bit more about the game? My opinion favors the latter.

"They're not going to be able to sell it to the likes of us established gamers," -  Here is where I do disagree. I believe that not only would it sell, but sell quite well. If this Beginner Boxed Set were to include: a few NEW careers, a totally NEW campaign, a few NEW Item cards, a few NEW action cards, a very few NEW Basic spells, a few NEW severe wound cards (printed on the back, the rules for them would be left out of course, with the explanation that severe wounds are part of the more "advanced" game), a few NEW condition cards, enough Ungor stand ups to actually represent the number of Ungors in the Day Late Demo Campaign, maybe some NEW artwork, AND a decent sized DICE PACK, then I think the "experienced" player would purchase it just for the campaign if nothing else. Now throw in the fact that the Boxed Set would be set at price point low enough to entice new players and be competitive with Pathfinder and you almost have a no brainer. Bottom line: There could be enough "NEW" stuff in the Beginner Set to draw the advanced player.

"and they're hell-bent on the SW game right now." - Well, this is undoubtedly true. I don't think we could gain FFG attention if we all tattooed "Active member of the Unblinking Eye" across our chests and ran naked through their corporate offices. ,… but ya never know,…..  if anyone is interested in organizing this please PM me,…. 

"I think it's best to just tell people to buy the Core Set" - Sadly, this may very well be the case. I do know that for me anyway, it wasn't until AFTER I purchased the Core Set that I thought about abandoning WFRP3e for another game. I was so frustrated with the rule book, lack of "where to go" by FFG website, and lack of finding any players within 150 miles of my home, that it only took ONE visit to the Pathfinder website to make me think twice. Had it not been for Gitzman's site, the Liber Fanatica, and the online Google Group/Old World League I would NOT be here.

Thank you and all the others for your intense support of this game. Fantasy Flight Games OWES you a GREAT deal of Gratitude.