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Blood Stained Sunday's Best said:
Le Passant said:
Most people would buy a book about the Empire or Chaos because it is at the heart of the setting, only those people interested in Tilea or Lustria would buy those books as it is at the fringe of the setting. Before you attack me...... this is not my argument. Just one I've heard. I'm a completionist so I'll buy a book of fluff about a random island. I don't care. I'm voraciously feeble minded when it comes to book purchases.
Well, in my case, I had no interest in re-buying an Empire/Chaos Books. 2nd edition are good on this. If I imagine myself looking at the book, I can't reasonnably think "wait, this is a NEW book ! With plenty of new and exclusive fluff in it !".
The argument is a double-edged sword. If people don't like Lustria or others, they would not buy a copy. But people whose are not interested in a (non-)new Imperial/Chaos book because it's basically the same, will not buy it either, nor the truly new things. Since things like Magic and Cults will be in the "first of new" books, there is a great risk that it will be, in regard of the fluff, the same as before, with other rules. I'm sure I will be able to find a resumed version of the rules somewhere (not a pirated copy, but a resumed version, as it can exist for every game), and convert the fluff from the 2nd in the 3rd. So, 3rd is useless for me.
Plus, if the "heart of the setting" doesn't interest me because it's a revamp, I will never be interested buy the other books, even if the contains new and never seen before things.
It's all the difficulty of a new edition. And it's all the frustration an old buyer can know. And I bear no grudge against FFG. Just that this decision probably mark the end of my WFRP shopping.
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Hellebore said:
All that should be answered by the product description, that's the point of a product description. You don't sell a product, especially one as expensive as this, by NOT telling people what it does and hoping they'll buy it. The point is they know what the WFRP fan community is like, they know what 2nd ed is like and their first method of selling it to people was in a completely different direction.
Now had it been released as a seperate game rather than as a REPLACEMENT for 2nd ed, i doubt people would have so angry about it.
I'm not necessarily against this game, but i am leary of it BECAUSE of the way they chose to represent it which is different to the previous edition and not compatable with it. There will be no more material for 2nd ed and anything produced for 3rd ed will be presented in this form, which given the custom dice mechanics is nothing like 2nd and not compatable with it.
Hellebore
Hellebore said:
All that should be answered by the product description, that's the point of a product description. You don't sell a product, especially one as expensive as this, by NOT telling people what it does and hoping they'll buy it. The point is they know what the WFRP fan community is like, they know what 2nd ed is like and their first method of selling it to people was in a completely different direction.
Now had it been released as a seperate game rather than as a REPLACEMENT for 2nd ed, i doubt people would have so angry about it.
I'm not necessarily against this game, but i am leary of it BECAUSE of the way they chose to represent it which is different to the previous edition and not compatable with it. There will be no more material for 2nd ed and anything produced for 3rd ed will be presented in this form, which given the custom dice mechanics is nothing like 2nd and not compatable with it.
Hellebore
You know what, spot on.
IF IT IS DIFFERENT and a different game of course.
If it's the same...I'll say this, THUS FAR THEIR MARKETING IS TERRIBLE.
If it's a different game, or so drastrically different as to be unrecognizable, if they had called it something else, I think I'd be one of the first to jump onto the boat to try to get the game. If it's different and they try to publish it under the Warhammer name it comes off as CHEAP...because they are using name recognition NOT to sell Warhammer, but their own game design and rather than let it sink or swim on it's own merits, they choose to kill another game in favor of their own.
I'm all for Warhammer Quest to be republished, would love for that to happen (don't think it will), but not at the cost of taking another games spot (and as a side note Warhammer quest didn't use strange dice with symbols on it, at least not the copy I have) and to get a new and better copy. Heck, I'm all for another Warhammer RPG, I hopped on the chance to get the Special, Leather versions of the WH40K RPG, though I missed it for DH, got it for RT.
It's not the game itself, it's the ethical and moral principle of it. It's like if Toyota decided to buy Ford, and then put out a new Mustang, but instead of being based on the Old Mustang, they instead decided to rename their 4runner and call it a Mustang. Sure it has the same name, but completely different type of vehicle. That would upset Car enthusiasts probably FAR more then what you've seen on these forums in relation to Warhammer (this is actually light in comparison to the bezerk things that would happen with the Car enthusiasts if anyone was ever crazy enough to do something like that).
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Blood Stained Sunday's Best said:
Was 2e selling well? What prompted FFG to change editions? Anyone know?
Some years back board games were doing really bad. For general audience they took too long, were too complex and not "cool". Board games evolved to more casual, fast paced, cool games. RPG have been doing bad for many years now in every front, that's why D&D had their evolution. To attract new customers, to break from the mold, to become the new "cool" thing.
Change is needed and hopefully will bring new customers. I just hope that they wont forget old customers. Give us new supplements!
Actually... wasnt there a rumor about dwarf sourcebook at some point... could FFG really be that sly..?
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