CRasterImage said:

What you mean where I said:

This game to me, LOOKS like it has been dumbed up. Increased complexity, full of filler pictures, but little in the way of increased game potential. Just more steps to do the same things.

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Where I said how FFG has presented it (ie LOOKS like) in a way that gives this impression? Yes, what a knocking.

If you notice what I DID knock, if the game turns out to be great, is how FFG have MARKETED it. Which, if it is as awesome and great as all the optimists seem to think, is pretty poorly.

It LOOKS bad on first inspection. If it's not, then you've got to wonder why they decided to focus on all the features that alienate the current players when describing it instead of placating them by showing that although it has new innovations it is still the same game we played in 2nd ed.

So it's either as bad as it appears to people or FFG's marketing team really need to rethink how they launch a new edition of a game with a very rabid and vocal fanbase. The way they advertised it is pretty much perfectly designed to displease the majority of current fans. You know the ones, the people that paid for 2nd eds success?

So my ire, or what I will be knocking AFTER a write up has been created, will be either for the game or the marketing. Because SOMETHING is rotten in Kislev, but I cannot determine what until further evidence presents itself.

Hellebore

Luther said:

I guess you didn't understand, that's fine. I was pointing out you are making claims with little or no substantiation to them. I'm likely as old, if not older, than you but I have a firm grasp of reality and don't claim RPGs have lost their literary or mechanical depth in favour of 'eye candy'. I have dozens of sets on my bookshelf from recent years that easily outstrip the depth of older games AND look great.

It's not that one medium takes a back seat to another in this sector, it's just that developers have clued in to better presentation standards. Indeed, there is a degree of overlap from other mediums such as video games but you actually picked one of the few entertainment mediums that has most strongly resisted recent entertainment shifts.

And correct me if I'm wrong, but there appear to be some very hefty books in the centre of this new system. You seem to be making assertions that the focus is on WYSIWYG in contrast to the 'good old days' but from a casual look at the contents, you seem to see both massive books and other accessories, something that has indeed been done more than once in recent decades.

I'm an old skool gamer and I fit their demographic just fine. As long as they don't mess with the background, all the rest is immaterial. Warhammer is a setting, not a ruleset.

I'd suggest a more positive outlook embraces the best aspects of both yesterday and today, not railing at one in favour of the other.