I read the original topic, and while it may indicate TO YOU that this is a traditional RPG, to me it indicates that this is a board game with no board and some roleplaying elements. That's not the same thing at all.

"Considerable" expense may be a stretch on my part, but how much do you think they'll charge for the box, dice, cards etc that you'll need for a new player? Considering the announced cost of the base set, and the excellent production values FFG understandably pride themselves on, I doubt it'll be cheap. And when you factor in that you have to pay this PER ADDITIONAL PLAYER, I don't think I'm reading too much between the lines.

And how do you expect me to give it a chance without buying it (or at least someone else in my gaming group buying it, which is unlikely)?

P.S. Is everyone who expresses a considered opinion that happens to disagree with yours to be condemned as a troll?  

Thanks, Millandson. I hadn't seen that post from RuneFang before. We really can put the "board game" nonsense away now.

But I just don't think that's likely to happen.

ChaosChild said:

Well, you're free to ignore what it says. But what about RuneFang's assertion that WFRP3 is an RPG in every sense? He might be violating his NDA by saying that, but since he was a playtester, and just because he's RuneFang, I'm inclined to believe him.

ChaosChild said:

The best way to give it a chance is to wait with your judgment until someone does a indepth review of the game including actual play experience (or buy it see firsthand like I intend to) - until then all any of us can really do, is guess at what the game will be like.

And again we don't know how much it'll cost to get an adventure pack and can only guess at wether or not it'll be cheap, reasonable or expensive and until they release the prices it's all just pointless guessing or optimistic hoping.

42!

Also, "considerable" expense doesn't necessarily mean "unreasonable" expense. If you need a lot of stuff per player (and with 30 dice only providing enough for 3 players it seems like you will) then a perfectly reasonable price for the number of components involved could still be what I would consider to be a considerable expense. Especially compared to a blank character sheet and 2D10.

Oh, and I read Runefang's post. The problem is he can't actually tell us anything about it due to his NDA, so his assertions are just as vague as the info from FFG. At the end of the day, this is one sentence from a guy I don't know that doesn't actually tell us anything. What I really want is to have enough information to make up my own mind about this, and the (lack of) information we've been given so far doesn't look good at all. 

ChaosChild said:

I know you don't really know me, but perhaps there's more chance of you believing this 'in person'. I agree I am being necessarily vague, but plainly I know more than you about it all. But I think it is worth reiterating that this really is a roleplaying game in every sense you could imagine commonly associated with RPGs. I'm not sure how I can be any clearer than that or any more credible, atm. It's a roleplaying game for roleplayers with roleplaying.

You're still welcome to dislike the game or think whatever you like about it of course, but you really shouldn't do it based on the notion that it's not a real roleplaying game.

Runefang on the other forum.

Well, after finally getting a look at the images posted in that forum (Strike to Stun?), I have to say that I'm actually pretty darned excited about this game. It looks like the perfect laid back, fast paced sort of game that my friends are looking for.

Most of us lack the time and energy to take part in a full-fledged RPG. This looks like a nice, clean and easy to jump into set up.

However, I can see how many pen and paper RPG purists may be disappointed.

Luckily, 2nd edition still exists and has, like, fifty sourcebooks. So just keep to 2nd edition, I guess?

Necrozius said:

But will there be continued support for 2nd edition? Will there be some similiar "upgrade" to Dark Heresy? And it´s current form continued support?

TorogTarkdacil said:

monkeylite said:

Much appreciated.

monkeylite said:

Then I'll do you the service of taking you at your word, until FFG give us enough information to allow us to make an informed decision on the subject (I still maintain that their official release clashes with your own personal recommendation).

However I reserve the right to dislike the game for the vast array of other reasons I currently have based on the information available.

I'm a bit in doubt...

Sounds a bit like a beefed combo of Advanced HeroQuest, Warhammer Quest with a WFRP sauce poored over it...I need to know more...

DagobahDave said:

No, to me it sounds like Descent. The mere thing about being "a hero party" of three players(WTF) "seeking out adventure and glory" stinks of boardgame. In roleplaying games there are no limits to how many player characters there can be(but there is in Descent). 

It sounds not even remotely like a traditional rpg. :(

its DnD 4 mixed with descent.

Anonymus said:

What would it take to convince you that it's a traditional RPG? Would the game's promo material help? How about the word of a playtester? Because I might be able to dig those up. Give me a minute. ;) In the meantime, feel free to browse.

How about no limitations on the player group first of all?