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@ KrissS666: Colors? What's the attraction/value of France being represented at the World Championship? Please correct me if I am mistaken, but since the regional tournament (that happens to be occurring) in France is the only regional tournament that is also being treated as a national championship, France will be the only nation represented by a champion at the world championship.
Another issue: The regional tournaments are essentially qualifying tournaments for the world championship. These tournaments should have standard regulations, and the individuals holding these tournaments should not have the latitude to determine who may participate on the basis of factors such as gender, race, nationality, etc. If the person who is organizing the tournament in France wants to discriminate in such ways (so as to select a French champion), then he should hold a separate event that is not a qualifying tournament for the world championship. In other words, if the organizer will not let non-French persons participate in the tournament, then the winner of the tournament should not thereby qualify to participate in the world championship.
HappyDD said:
Why is it not blowing anyone else's mind that this company is paying to fly their regional champion to the Worlds?
Why fly someone to Worlds if they don't trust him/her to beat some random guy from abroad beforehand?
This is getting more ludicrously by the minute.
If the french players (which I think most don't want) really want their nice closed environment, with only french guys speaking only french, while playing with their french cards: Allright! If it fits for you, maybe it is even great.
You can even call the winner "French Champion" for all that's worth it.
But this shouldn't be in any way related to the real Worlds Finals. No qualification for anyone.
Obviously 'Edge' is afraid that a non-france resident steals the victory, so they took this quite discriminating route. And some players are even jumping that band-wagon. Congrats…
Reading about this "defend our colors…" really makes me sick.
If you can't stand against any random guy from your european neighbours, who is crazy enough to visit you (your hospitality isn't famous either): What do you want to represent at the World's?
'et in arcadia ego…'
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A novel thought, french grow a pair and throw down the challenge and let the better man win! Or, fine let the French host only French for Regional and Worlds can be for everyone NOT French.
Just ridiculous…it's a game people not a citizenship application.
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A novel thought, french grow a pair and throw down the challenge and let the better man win! Or, fine let the French host only French for Regional and Worlds can be for everyone NOT French.
Just ridiculous…it's a game people not a citizenship application.
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I'd like to remind everyone about the OP:
Bearer of the Yellow Sign said:
Hi there guys. I've got a problem. I wanted to participate in the French regional this year, but was told that I would not be admitted since I am not a French citizen. (The other dates of the regionals in Europe do not work for me at all.)
It has since been clarified, that everyone (no matter the nationality) is invited to take part in the French Regional and can become the tournament winner, getting all the prices - except the coverage of travel expenses to participate in the World Tournament.
However, the Title 'Champion of France' cannot be won by anyone from abroad, which does make sense (to me at least!).
This leaves the question who should be allowed to fly to the World Championship for free: The Winner of the tournament or the French Champion?
For me, a German player who will participate in the German Regional in Munich, the possiblity doesn't even exist! I don't know if there are any other Regionals where you can win such a ticket, but the German one isn't one of them.
Currently things aren't strictly regulated in the CoC LCG: Basically everyone is free to participate in the World Championship (or any other CoC tournament), title or no, if they're willing to cover the required travel expenses.
On a related note: Restricting participation in competitions/contests to players of a certain nationality isn't that unusual and sometimes actually required for legal reasons. I've seen this particularly often with US events which often exempt everyone but US citizens in order to protect themselves from lawsuits about claims based on foreign laws.
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@Bearer of the Yellow Sign :
Could you tell us who is the TO you've contacted ? Apparently, the actual TO from Tours didn't hear from you at all.
He contacted me. I think there has been a misunderstanding between us. As I said on the French forums, foreigners are very welcome and may even win the event and the prizes but the title of "Champion de France" will be given to a French Citizen.
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That's a pretty strong misunderstanding that should be sorted out, especially when another Edge employee spoke of defamation.
Anarkia said:
He contacted me. I think there has been a misunderstanding between us. As I said on the French forums, foreigners are very welcome and may even win the event and the prizes but the title of "Champion de France" will be given to a French Citizen.
Since the (in my opinion) biggest prize, the paid travel to worlds, is reserved for the Champion of France, only French Citizens can compete for all the prizes (again, I am not being polemic, just making clear for other people wo would have traveled)
The power is subtle, but it's there.
Whoooaaah! A first post on Bullshido being a reply saying you're attending a TD - respect, man!
Won some stuff...
Hi,
Sorry to come back so late.
An update: The organizer (I used the email as indicated on the FFG site) welcomed me last week to participate in the regional. I believe (but might be mistaken) that this is due to the your protest and many thanks also for FFG putting pressure on him. Many thanks! The biggest "discrimination" issue is, hence, resolved.
I do not think that I was earlier mistaken about the information about the email (the organizer was very clear on this). However, the content and the tone of the emails just changed and I am happy for that. (Unfortunately, everything happened a bit late…)
I was also given the following information about the French regional:
1) 3 persons qualify for the world championship
2) edge pays only the flight and hotel for the best French player among the top five.
3) only the best French player gets the title "French champion"
I still think that 3) is not Ok, since this is not, as far as I know, usual in other tourneys (also other card games).
For 2). I guess it is to a certain degree Ok, since edge finances the prize and has to have some say. Why it is important for them to send a French player I cannot say (it also does not seem to follow the usual rules of prizes, as far as I can tell).
For 2) It can create the following strange hypothetical case: Imagine that the best French player is fifth (if it is very unlikely, why else do they use this rule?). Then, I guess only the first two non-French players go to the final and the fifth French player. (Otherwise paying the cost do not make sense). So, the third non-French player had bad luck…
Best,
Bearer
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Bearer of the Yellow Sign said:
For 2). I guess it is to a certain degree Ok, since edge finances the prize and has to have some say. Why it is important for them to send a French player I cannot say (it also does not seem to follow the usual rules of prizes, as far as I can tell).
Do they ? I was under the impression it was FFG financing the ticket.
Even if it's Edge, it's uncommon for a prize giver to decide to whom it must go. When I contribute to a charity, I'm not giving my conditions to whom homeless my money must go.
The first three are qualified ? That's new to me. Or is it one per game (CoC, W:I, aGoT) ?
Ok, all I want to know is…
If say… I, a US citizen, travel to any of the non-North American national championships…
1. Would I be allowed to play?
2. If I would win would I be granted a flight prize?
3. If I would win would I get to design a card?
4. What if I won a different regional / national championship does that change any of the previous answers?
Also,
4. We have to qaulify for worlds? Only the top 3 finishers qualify? I couldn't of read that right.
5. If yes to 4, what are the different ways one qualifies for worlds? I missed that part announcement. I assumed worlds was open to everyone, but you simply got a bye if you won a national? regional? championship.
I got lost in the legalities. :(
I'm not saying that any of this will happen, I would like it too ;), just trying to get caught up lol.
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Magnus Arcanis said:
You assumed correctly. There's a bit of misinformation in this thread, so I would take whatever is posted here with a grain of salt. The World Championship is open to everyone. Winners of a regional championship receive free entry and a first round bye. FFG has stated nothing about top 3 qualifiers, etc…
Here's the link:
www.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_minisite_sec.asp
And here's the quote:
"Each of these tournaments is open to the general public. Regional champions for each game win free entry for the weekend as well as a first round bye."
Also, top winners from each LCG at the North American Championship at GenCon will get to design a card, as well as receive free entry in the World Championship and a first round bye. The same goes for the top winner at the annual Castle Stahleck tournament in Europe.
Here's the link:
www.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_nrep.asp
It does not say whether you are limited to winning only one of these events, or if you win multiple tournaments, you can design more than one card.
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