JCHendee said:

Yeah, i mean re-do the cards, but with better artwork. A few that i like are the dead treant, or the gallovs tree who has hanging heads, who are attacking you, or vampire roses, or a snarling tree etc

Well, it's doubtful I could reproduce the same type of image... as I'm not a real artist, just an amateur graphics jockey. But something generally similar representing the creature in question, might be possible. Are we talking about redoing these for 4th ed. revised?  Is this your expansion originally?

JCHendee said:

Haha, it's not my expansion

And yes, we are talking about redoing the cards.

You can see on talismanisland who has made the cards. But i see there is no option to contact that person. Otherwise i could ask if he made the cards again with better artwork...

Continuing my review of your cards:

BEITHER-SHI: Interesting follower.

CARRIER: No real issues with this card. Is this meant to be a detriment card a la the Hag/Jester?

CU-SHI: I like this card a lot. I think its interesting and different. Which is kinda the point of adding new cards in :)

VERDANT ZEALOT: Again, interesting and different. Well done :)

BRACE OF FORTITUDE: Good card. Might be too powerful: +1 STRENGTH AND +1 Starting Quota? Either way, its a good card!

VERDANT RING: Good card. Not so sure about the secondary ability. In my experience, people are reluctant to sacrifice trophies. I can see it being used to avoid being killed, however. If that's what you intend, then fair enough!

VERDANT STAFF: Very cool. Interesting and different. Overall, I like your objects a lot.

BANK DRAFT: Nice!

BATTLE BLADES: I like the concept. And I CERTAINLY agree with a subtrait of "Two Handed". I honestly think that someone slipped up when this wasn't implemented in the first place. However, they are underpowered. In my view, they should be +2 Strength in Battle but count as two weapons.

BRACERS: I would reword this slightly. As it reads now, you are effectively making an armour save which kicks off on a 1. Why not include that in to a normal armour save? So when you do make an armour save, on a roll of a 1, you still lose the battle but don't lose a life. I don't see why you can't combine it with other armour either. I realise that you are unlikely to get much use with a Shield and Armour would come with plate greaves but you *might* and from a mechanics standpoint, I like it :)

CORACLE: Cool card.

DRY SPRING: The card is ok. There's nothing wrong with it, it just doesn't grab me. *shrug* That's not really an issue ;)

FATED COVE: I really, really like the theme of the card. I just think you've wasted the potential here. This could have had a really cool effect. In this fashion, its just a pool/stream type card which isn't actually as good and is more difficult to get to. Come on JC, I demand you do something cool with! :D :D

BATTLEMENTS: This is a great card but the Craft element doesn't sit right. I'm not sure how to fix it though (if it really needs fixing? am I making something of nothing?). In my heart of hearts, I just know that if that card came up, SOMEONE is going to say "How can you psychic combat a wall?

I know! Do it so you can either scale it or find another way around (make a 2d6 roll vs STRENGTH or CRAFT). Or you can attack it at STRENGTH 10, if you win, you knock it down (gain 1 Strength).

SACRED GROVE: Good card. Sacrificing objects might be too costly for people to use? No real issue here!

ARCHON OF CHAMPIONS: Cool card.

JAK'S EMPORIUM: This is a really cool card. It is just very expensive to buy magic objects! I'd seriously consider making it cheaper.

PRIM-SHI: Fine :)

WAR WITCH: Cool card. Not sure about the "Arena" effect... doesn't it kind of invalidate that card?

Overall, I think you've done some sterling work and feel free to take my comments with a pinch of salt. After all, they are just my opinion!

dth said:

Yes... I've simply add an obvious benefit. Let's face it, most people do find the Poltergeist a marginal benefit unless they really need to get somewhere or are stuck in a dangerous side of the Middle Region.

dth said:

Yes, it is a little potent, and I have been concerned about that.  Which is why I added (new edit) the condition upon losing it... and there are lots of little ways to lose Followers and M.Objects in this expansion. And some new card interactions (good, bad, neutral) to keep players on their toes.

dth said:

It's another way to heal on the spot... but at a different price than gold. And only for Neutral characters, who have fewer options for free healing on the board.

dth said:

No way they'd be +2 as short range infighting weapons.  Perhaps the image gives the impression they are longer than they are.  I added the potential of an armour roll to balance out their other limitations. There are a few objects I've added that aren't as potent as other normal ones, and would likely be abandoned for something better later on... but that's part of it.  I've put in more potent stuff and added slightly less potent stuff to keep a balance in the deck. One more new weapon is coming... the Flanged mace, two-handed... which has a slim chance to destroy any armour card used to thwart it.

dth said:

Actually, with the new approach to Armour being rolled for high numbers, I need to change that, but in general defending with one's arms isn't going to work against a heavy weapon anyway. (The helmet has always been problematic, as a blow to the head will usually put someone down no matter what... or open them up for a kill stroke.)  And you're right, full armor includes both greaves and bracers. The image on the Armourr card is based on Greco-Roman hardened leather with brass overlay... not typical medieval armor.  I will be adding another Armour card to keep the deck balanced and likely use a more appropriate image.

There may will also be one Heavy Armour card, though it will have some severe defiicits for weight and bulk (Saves on a 3-6, but -1 in Combat, and -1 on Movement perhaps and counts as 2 Objects when carried). There will be only 1 such card, simply as another oddity and change up in the deck, requiring a player to really think about it.  For someone with high Strength, it could be awesome; low Strength and it could be detrimental to use... and that's the way heavy armour really is.

dth said:

That's okay. Some of my group have griped about the Cave over the years, and I agree with them.  Talisman was inspired by FRPG, yet the Cave (silly being forced as well now) has always been backward, where you gain Gold when nothing is encountered (so how did the gold get there?) And I tried to add a little something in Treasure through a Purchase card.... who knows, you might even pull a Horse, Mule, Camel, etc... as illogical as that is. (Yes, some additional notions are coming in my Purchase Deck.)

dth said:

It was pretty much meant to be a matching "resevoir" card like the stream and pool. The only two types of resevoir missing are for Fate and Gold... so I put in one of each.  Any suggestions?  And yes, Fate, if properly implemented, can be very tactically potent, so I put it in a logical, hard place to get to... which is also up there where its needed on the way to the Inner Region. (wink)

dth said:

Agreed... and part of the problem is having to stick to poorly chosen terminology.  I added the wall roll because who knows where you encounter it in the walls (maybe a densely overgrown area, maybe not).  A straight Strength or Craft roll just doesn't cut it.  So its a matter of getting a description on the card that is (1) realistic within limits which (2) fit the rules, terminology, and mechanics of the game.  It's definitely not fully sensible just yet... but at least it works by the rules.

And later when the Spells come in, there will be a strategic way to the Battlements in certain situations... as well as other Places on the board.

dth said:

Too much. When it comes to gaining automatic Strength or Craft (SKILL) points, I've never seen the a legitimate rational other than to speed the game up in ridiculous way.  Let's face it, that's not really what this expansion is about, other like others I'd just throw in a bunch more monsters and big magic items and be done with it.  Other than Wishes and Magic, I've usually avoided the freebie skill points.  I may have to think some more on this card... for now its at least roughly workable.

dth said:

Ah, come on now, M.O.s are the big cheat in the game, the shortcut to power, the edge over your enemies that you don't have to work for... you just pick them up off the ground lying around in the wild.  (GROAN!)  If someone wants one that's identified, in plain sight, at safe location, and all it costs them in risk is cash... then make them PAY... make them PAY DEARLY!    Certainly Jak would.

dth said:

How do you mean?  Did I miss something?

Velhart said:

Then the only way to approach this is if Jon knows the person in question, can contact that individual and seek out (1) if the person is willing to do a 4th version of the cards or (2) is willing to let someone else do it.  Overall, I have my hands full with my own expansion and limited spare time, and I do no want to step on someone else "property" rights.

JCHendee said:

Yes, you are right about that.

I shall ask Jon, if i can get in contact with that person.

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About the brace and the ring. They are fine by me. I can't say they are too powerful.  Keep them as they are please;)

Velhart said:

Are you and I playing the Angel and Devil on JC's shoulders? If so, whom is who? :D

dth said:

haha

Well... that's a question for JC

But don't make it too heavy for him ,because he is busy with a new expansion

Oh no, no, no you two... I'm not going to pick sides for you!

JCHendee said:

Nevermind... I think I know what you mean about an "Arena" card.  In general, I only work with the Standard deck as a comparison for what I put in my own expansion. It's too much trouble and complication to take into account what might be in other commercial or fan expansions.

JCHendee said:

I think he means because you can't use spells, magic objects etc, but it has actually nothing to do with gaining spells etc. So the war witch will be fine there. Otherwise i don't know what DTH means.

It was a funny answer from you yesterday;) The post above you) I think dth has not read it yet lol

Wellll, *I* know I'm the angel at least :P

I was referring to the "Arena" card in the Reaper. My issue is that it has the same effect as that card but also has other abilities attached to it. But, as JC has said, he doesn't have that expansion, so it isn't really an issue ;)

dth said:

If you take a look to your and mine avatar, then i would say the same. That means i am the devil hehehe

But from inside i am a angel haha

I think JC is neutral then

Actually, if you haven't notice, there's a trick to the War Witch's "arena" option. The Arena can pop up anywhere, but the War Witch only appears in one special place.  Now... what does the Cursed Glade do to anyone who fights ANYONE OR ANYTHING on it?

I love this option... for a real adventurer to kick butt on some petty hoarder or gauder!