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Fgdsfg said:
I personally think that Seneschals are really cool.
You can be a Bruce Wayne. You can be Batman. A financial expert by day, world's greatest detective by night. Hell, you start with a Cameleoline Cloak and a Synskin armour.
You can be an expert on Chaos, the note-taker and the educated radical; Dark Adept of the Emperor or Sorcerer of Chaos.
You can be the dark Acquisitionist, the illegal merchant, the arms dealer; you can be Nicolas Cage's Yuri Orlov - Lord of War.
You can be the adventuring archeologist, the master of archeotech and scholastic lores; Indiana Jones - In SPAAAACEEEE.
You're the Merlin to the Rogue Trader Arthur, the Creed of Tactical Genius, and yes, you are potentially the Alfred Pennyworth to Lord Bruce of House Wayne. And this is where you are reminded that it is always the butler did it and that Alfred is a master swordsman, a capable medic, a martial artist, have mastered several fields of engineering and is a combat veteran in the Special Air Service. I love my current Rogue Trader character of the group I'm in, even if I don't get to play nearly as much as I'd want (once a week, bar screwups), but Seneschal has to be my favourite career. There's so much you can do that I just don't see the others doing.
Again, as I said- *I* recognize the Seneschal as being boss. I just don't think the book does a very good job of painting them as being cool.
Fgdsfg said:
If there's one career I think is starved in Rogue Trader, it's the Missionary. They really could use more meat on their bones when it comes to ending up or acting in the expanse. The way they are presented, I think it easily ends up being Lawful Stupid in the context of Rogue Trader, which is a pity, considering that there's actually a lot to take home when it comes to Imperial Religion, and half a mission fringe cults of the Emperor that would be home at the borders of the galaxy.
Yeah. In one of my current camapigns, the Missionary character onboard is an NPC who is effectively Frank Burns. He's terrific comic relief, but not very boss.
Fgdsfg said:
Edit 2: Get a single Tougness Characteristic Advance, and you can have 6 Manipulator Mechadendrites. Get a single Strength Characteristics Advance, and you have a flat 200 Strength for purposes of manipulating things (it should be noted that Manipulator Mechadendrites doesn't apply to doing damage, unless you somehow work in that they are use to wield what you are doing damage with… like picking up a tank and slapping someone with it, I guess).
That's… actually not that broken, yeah. You're limited by the size of the object you're trying to grip, it's unhelpful for combat, and being Doc Ock isn't really that farfetched for 40k. That's actually just really cool. I like it.
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What do you think about this:
1. Get Glimpse from beyond (ItS)
2. Get Void-mad Prophet (Navis)
3. Go crazy, I mean about 90-99 insanity points.
4. Buy From beyond trait (available for the Glimpse) to stop getting more insane.
Enjoy all Int tests as basic untrained with substituting insanity points for characteristic and getting 1/2 of insanity as a bonus.
It gets even sweeter for skills you do possess. And you substitute insanity also for the WP test but without the 1/2 bonus, so the next step will be precision telekinesis
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I don't know what I find the must fun in this thread…
1 . In a Warhammer 40k thread people talk about min, maxing…
2. Poeple talking about breaking/abusing an RPG…
I mean come on! This is the oldest discussion in the book… Both are so true and then you play/talk with people who play WH40k!!! The min/maxer/exploiter heaven…
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Wincent said:
What do you think about this:
1. Get Glimpse from beyond (ItS)
2. Get Void-mad Prophet (Navis)
3. Go crazy, I mean about 90-99 insanity points.
4. Buy From beyond trait (available for the Glimpse) to stop getting more insane.
Enjoy all Int tests as basic untrained with substituting insanity points for characteristic and getting 1/2 of insanity as a bonus.
It gets even sweeter for skills you do possess. And you substitute insanity also for the WP test but without the 1/2 bonus, so the next step will be precision telekinesis
I fully intend to grab both Glimpse from the Beyond and Void-Mad Prophet, so that I can start doing Intimidate checks against Insanity Points. I do want to stress that if you do abuse this, it is entirely possible that you end up killing yourself with Insanity Points. To go over 90 insanity points is risky business, and depending on how you read "From Beyond", I would say that having "From Beyond" would also mean that you cannot actually use Insanity Points at all.
I mean, the benefits of Glimpse from Beyond and Void-Mad Prophet is basically "cloud, control or delude" the mind. Also, note that "From Beyond" doesn't stop you from gaining more Insanity Points. It makes you immune to Fear and Pinning, yes, but there are many, many more ways to get Insanity Points. And you still "die" when you get to 100 Insanity Points.
Once I've accrued 60 Insanity Points, as a character, I would really start worrying about my own sanity, and as a player, try to stave off more insanity.
If you just want to get rid of the Disorders, there's also the option of becoming a Reaver; from the viewpoint of "Broken Builds", the Cold Soul talent is good, but I'm bloody not taking it. Being insane is too much fun. :D
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Since so many seem to have trouble understanding Technology, Machine SpiritsMechanicus: Link.
My reading comprehension is just fine. I feel that you are being manipulative and attempting to infer value on worthless artifacts of cross-line integration. You say it's stupid, but pointing it out again and again as though it has value is simply infuriating. I deal with people like this all day at work, and you remind me of them. I sometimes wonder if they are born with reading lights firmly planted up their asses to better peruse the almighty written word of law in their preferred reading environment.
Fgdsfg said:
Wincent said:
What do you think about this:
1. Get Glimpse from beyond (ItS)
2. Get Void-mad Prophet (Navis)
3. Go crazy, I mean about 90-99 insanity points.
4. Buy From beyond trait (available for the Glimpse) to stop getting more insane.
Enjoy all Int tests as basic untrained with substituting insanity points for characteristic and getting 1/2 of insanity as a bonus.
It gets even sweeter for skills you do possess. And you substitute insanity also for the WP test but without the 1/2 bonus, so the next step will be precision telekinesis
My current build, while not meant to be broken, is essentially an insane Rogue Trader; on creation, he could potentially have started with a maximum of 124 Insanity Points, but my GM said that I got to start with "the lowest possible"; 24.
I fully intend to grab both Glimpse from the Beyond and Void-Mad Prophet, so that I can start doing Intimidate checks against Insanity Points. I do want to stress that if you do abuse this, it is entirely possible that you end up killing yourself with Insanity Points. To go over 90 insanity points is risky business, and depending on how you read "From Beyond", I would say that having "From Beyond" would also mean that you cannot actually use Insanity Points at all.
I mean, the benefits of Glimpse from Beyond and Void-Mad Prophet is basically "cloud, control or delude" the mind. Also, note that "From Beyond" doesn't stop you from gaining more Insanity Points. It makes you immune to Fear and Pinning, yes, but there are many, many more ways to get Insanity Points. And you still "die" when you get to 100 Insanity Points.
Once I've accrued 60 Insanity Points, as a character, I would really start worrying about my own sanity, and as a player, try to stave off more insanity.
If you just want to get rid of the Disorders, there's also the option of becoming a Reaver; from the viewpoint of "Broken Builds", the Cold Soul talent is good, but I'm bloody not taking it. Being insane is too much fun. :D
You may be right - depends on interpretation of From beyond - well without GMs accepting whole idea it wouldn't work anyway. IMO From beyond keeps you from gaining more IP, but you still have already gotten ones plus disorders - just like, let's say hypothetical armour of invincibility would keep you immune from damage but won't heal your wounds.
Crisaron: you've showed us your opinion - ok, thanks for participating.
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What.
What.
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Okay, let me get this straight. You suggest that he'd be better off dead?
What. The. Actual. Hell.
Did you just suggest that he'd be better off dead, due to an argument over A ROLEPLAYING GAME?
Now, you're not the only guilty, to be honest, you've both been acting as asses. But death?
This has been reported, but I haven't seen any moderation around here yet, so I don't know what actions will be taken. Now, I have a request for both of you. To all of you, to be honest. Please just leave this thread alone. Don't write it here. If you have to blow off some steam at each other, the forum has a PM system. This is such an infected topic that nothing can be said without it blowing up in someones face.
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With point buy system you can get 66 BS at the start, not counting his special ability
fortress world, call to war, dark secret, devotion. Get storm bolter and start shootin.
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Sirfrog I understand and respect your view but I'm always chilled by the notion that reasonable people should curb their speech because others can't manage to follow the social contract.
Carpe Jugular
Sirfrog I understand and respect your view but I'm always chilled by the notion that reasonable people should curb their speech because others can't manage to follow the social contract.
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Fgdsfg said:
My current build, while not meant to be broken, is essentially an insane Rogue Trader; on creation, he could potentially have started with a maximum of 124 Insanity Points, but my GM said that I got to start with "the lowest possible"; 24.
Mainly because you're insane enough as it. Almost blinding the GreaseLord of Footfall when you first met him, goddamn.
Fgdsfg said:
Once I've accrued 60 Insanity Points, as a character, I would really start worrying about my own sanity, and as a player, try to stave off more insanity.
You've just doomed yourself when you hit 60.
Shanix said:
Fgdsfg said:
My current build, while not meant to be broken, is essentially an insane Rogue Trader; on creation, he could potentially have started with a maximum of 124 Insanity Points, but my GM said that I got to start with "the lowest possible"; 24.
Mainly because you're insane enough as it. Almost blinding the GreaseLord of Footfall when you first met him, goddamn.
I actually have a plan for that at some point. Because hospitals are easier to kill people in.
Shanix said:
Fgdsfg said:
Once I've accrued 60 Insanity Points, as a character, I would really start worrying about my own sanity, and as a player, try to stave off more insanity.
You've just doomed yourself when you hit 60.
"It's never too late to panic."
~ Popular Valhallan folk saying
Since so many seem to have trouble understanding Technology, Machine SpiritsMechanicus: Link.
Fgdsfg said:
Get out of here, Shanix. You're drunk.
says mr europoorean
One thing that struck me about Rogue Trader is that your players very quickly become bad asses in their specialities without too much problem.
I'm the rogue trader in my group I started with Fel 40. I have added 1 advance for for a Fel of 45. I have Etiquette, Peer Nobility and A Renowned Warrant. So in formal settings with other members of the nobility I am rolling a base fel 75 without even including disposition.
That said rogue Trader is about a peer of the imperium. it is only right that if a Rogue Trader wants to negotiate with an average joe he should have all the cards. The game really gets interesting when the Rogue Trader starts trying to negotiate with other peers of the Imperium
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